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Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-27-2015
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Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I've been guilty of that. I acquired my first & only cruising boat long before I started frequenting internet forums. It was only on the internet that I discovered all of these "categories" posters...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-27-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I don't agree. It requires putting aside some normal biases, making more of an effort towards objectivity, and being discerning, but then it's usually not that hard to figure out whether the...
Forum: General Discussion (sailing related)   12-27-2015
Replies: 96
Views: 7,602
Posted By Exile1
Re: Jon Eisberg's Passing today...

Oh my, it seems like he was just here posting. Learned a lot from him, along with receiving much inspiration from recounts of his many travels. Sending best wishes to his family & friends during...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-26-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

The Hunter/Cape Dory comparo was well-researched, and it was interesting seeing a pictorial chronology of all the various quality-built boats Hal Roth sailed, but I don't understand Smack's latest...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-26-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

In other words, it's not about whether most such entry level/value-oriented/assembly line/etc. boats "can" do the type of cruising both ebourg & Smack are planning, but rather whether you want to. ...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-23-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

ebourg -- I wouldn't listen to anyone who tries to tell you that an entire category or type of cruising boat should never leave site of land, or isn't "qualified" for the type of trip you're...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-21-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yeah, good time to bag out, and the last several pages of discussion surrounding Jeff's comments were probably some of the more educational. Your newly revised BWC thread with talk of the Boreal,...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-21-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I figured it would take Smack awhile to spin something up following the discussion with Jeff, but I didn't think his response would be that long. Seems too long to quote it, so I won't.

First,...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-20-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Thanks for the added clarification & explanation, Jeff. It might also be worth noting that nothing you said is inconsistent with the value-oriented boats doing long passagemaking, or otherwise...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-20-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Funny, let's where I started many years ago, but have been hoping somebody would talk me out of it. I'd prefer to think you're only paying a premium for the fluff.
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-20-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

I was a little surprised if not confused by that comment too. But also the next one, again comparing what Jeff calls the "value-oriented" vs. the "quality-oriented" modern boats:

"But I also...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-19-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yes, I remember Vagabond's rudder problem & their fix before they crossed the Atlantic. Lots of debate whether it was the result of a soft grounding only, or if there was other history. They bought...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-19-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yeah, I think all too often a critique of a cockpit ergonomic or portlight or [pick one] is interpreted as "this entire boat or even brand sucks." Even if the poster believes that it doesn't mean...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-19-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Agreed! It's undeniable in fact. But it was undeniable long before Smack started his threads! My problem is that Smack framed them wrong in what I believe was an intentional effort to invite nasty...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-19-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

That's funny. I know you're talking about people who own more traditional "BW" boats, whatever, but this is exactly what I concluded about you & your Hunter.

I think there's a natural...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-19-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Given your own forum history, it appears that you don't know how long that chain actually is.
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-19-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Many older cruising boats on the market have been lightly used it seems. I know mine was. Might even be fair to say "most" given light usage of all cruising sailboats generally. I'm assuming that...
Forum: General Discussion (sailing related)   12-18-2015
Replies: 317
Views: 14,403
Posted By Exile1
Re: Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

Thanks so much hannah. Really fun & interesting to hear about your new boat, and all the best with it in the future. I definitely think I'll be doing some more reading up about it.
Forum: General Discussion (sailing related)   12-18-2015
Replies: 317
Views: 14,403
Posted By Exile1
Re: Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

Speed & seakindliness don't always go together, so that was interesting to read. You mentioned its good upwind performance but what about comfort? Does the Boreal slam or slap as opposed to your...
Forum: General Discussion (sailing related)   12-18-2015
Replies: 317
Views: 14,403
Posted By Exile1
Re: Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

Fantastic write-up, hannah. Nice pic too. It almost sounds like many of the typical trade-offs that are always factors to consider b'twn different types of boats have been resolved on the Boreal. ...
Forum: General Discussion (sailing related)   12-18-2015
Replies: 317
Views: 14,403
Posted By Exile1
Re: Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

Here is his blogsite: http://sailorsrun.com. He posts every 3 days.
Forum: Vessels Lost, Missing, or in Danger   12-18-2015
Replies: 396
Views: 25,808
Posted By Exile1
Re: A big Oyster abandoned off Spain

Maybe I misunderstood your post, but I don't think PCP was driven away by people calling other peoples' boats crap (not that this doesn't happen on forums). More of a personal thing with one other...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-18-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Don't worry Smack, if this thread gets locked it will be like all the others that got locked, along with all your bannings. Of all "those guys" responsible, I'm sure you will have had NOTHING to do...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-16-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

And just imagine if it was a Hunter/Bene/Lina/etc. that one of these guys had bailed out of. We'd be debating the severity of the conditions as made up on the internet, as opposed to what actually...
Forum: Cruising & Liveaboard Forum   12-16-2015
Replies: 4,892
Views: 358,468
Posted By Exile1
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Yeah, you're right. Sometimes I do wish Smack would stop all his crying.


NOTE: Pic looks more like an (internet) temper tantrum than mere whining to me.
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