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Old 08-25-2010
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When ever you find yourself in a fair fight you have proven your tactics suck!
You must appear insuperable as an opponent. In any conflict the advantage is gained many times on intimidation alone, make your adversary reluctant to any confrontation in the first place...Gee how can we scare a U.S. Government agency?.....Hoist a Mexican flag, don sombreros and pochos and cruise!
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Not everyone, but most folks go through Georgia because they are ultimately heading to Florida for the hop to the Bahamas.

I'll be talking about heading straight offshore from the Chesapeake to the Bahamas through Seven Seas University on September 9th. There's a fee to SSCA.

The discussion is a result of my preference to heading offshore (3 days to Bahamas) instead of droning down the ICW.
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Reading this my question, as a first timer south of Charlestown, where would you all suggest jumping out to make entery in Fl?

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Northbay,

Transients have no problems. What happened was some liveaboards in the Savannah area p.o.ed someone with "friends in high places". I don't remember the whole story. Anyway the stupid law was passed. How many nights have we stayed on our boat? Not counting, the burden of proof is on them. :-)
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Thank you. It seems there is always more to the story. Still looking for
insights into good location to go offshore to Florida? Any ICW info
would be helpful.

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If anyone has a link to the below mentioned law, I would love to see it.
Coastal Marshlands Protection Act
O.C.G.A. § 12-5-280 et. seq.
12-5-288. Restriction on granting of permit; size restriction; activities and structures considered contrary to public interest.
(a) If the project is not water related or dependent on waterfront access or can be satisfied by the
use of an alternative nonmarshland site or by use of existing public facilities, a permit usually
should not be granted pursuant to Code Section 12-5-286.
(b) The amount of marshlands to be altered must be minimum in size. The following activities
and structures are normally considered to be contrary to the public interest when located in
coastal marshlands but the final decision as to whether any activity or structure is considered to
be in the public interest shall be in the sound discretion of the committee:
(1) Filling of marshlands for residential, commercial, and industrial uses;
(2) Filling of marshlands for private parking lots and private roadways;
(3) Construction of dump sites and depositing of any waste materials or dredge spoil;
(4) Dredging of canals or ditches for the purpose of draining coastal marshlands;
(5) Mining;
(6) Construction of lagoons or impoundments for waste treatment, cooling, agriculture, or
aquaculture which would occupy or damage coastal marshlands or life forms therein;
(7) Construction of structures which constitute an obstruction of view to adjoining riparian
landowners, including signs and enclosures; and
(8) Occupying a live-aboard for more than 30 days during any calendar year; provided, however,
that the commissioner may grant extensions of time beyond 30 days to persons making a request
in writing stating the reasons for such extension. Owners of docks where live-aboards are
moored as well as owners and occupants of live-aboards are responsible under this part.


12-5-282. Definitions:
(8) 'Live-aboard' means a floating vessel or other water craft which is moored to a dock, tree, or
piling or anchored in the estuarine waters of the state and is utilized as a human or animal abode.
Live-aboards include but are not limited to monohulls, multihulls, houseboats, floating homes,
and other floating structures which are used for human or animal habitation.
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Thank you. It seems there is always more to the story. Still looking for
insights into good location to go offshore to Florida? Any ICW info
would be helpful.

Bob
Most folks who go 'outside' depart Charleston SC and travel to Fernandina, FL or further south .... all depends on the 'weather window'.

If going south one usually WAITS for a north component wind .... autumn is a good time for NWers that follow a 'cold front'. If the winds are very light and the sea state is without large swells - simply motor from Charleston to Fernandina.
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Our experiences differ.

We purchased our boat in Brunswick GA in 2008, then lived aboard for about six weeks before we set off for points north. No visits by authorities, no problems, no hassles.

This year we stayed in Brunswick again for a couple of months on the trip north. As before we had no issues, no visits, etc.

As with many laws, the reality is not in how they are written but in how they are enforced.

If you draw attention to yourself due to bad behavior, or making a nuisance of yourself, or have a derelict looking vessel then don't be surprised if you get to meet the authorities up close and personal. How you interact with those authorities will also greatly influence how good or bad that experience will be for you.

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It seems in the minds of the public, houseboats and sailing cruisers are the same thing, and as far as many are concerned, as the song put it, its one big flow through trailer park.

Probably first have to change the colors that all have been painted from the acts of a few just trying to live cheaply and unfortunately making a mess of themselves. Laws do tend to be blanket statements to fix specific problems.
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Coastal Marshlands Protection Act
O.C.G.A. § 12-5-280 et. seq.
12-5-288. Restriction on granting of permit; size restriction; activities and structures considered contrary to public interest.
(a) If the project is not water related or dependent on waterfront access or can be satisfied by the
use of an alternative nonmarshland site or by use of existing public facilities, a permit usually
should not be granted pursuant to Code Section 12-5-286.
(b) The amount of marshlands to be altered must be minimum in size. The following activities
and structures are normally considered to be contrary to the public interest when located in
coastal marshlands but the final decision as to whether any activity or structure is considered to
be in the public interest shall be in the sound discretion of the committee:
(1) Filling of marshlands for residential, commercial, and industrial uses;
(2) Filling of marshlands for private parking lots and private roadways;
(3) Construction of dump sites and depositing of any waste materials or dredge spoil;
(4) Dredging of canals or ditches for the purpose of draining coastal marshlands;
(5) Mining;
(6) Construction of lagoons or impoundments for waste treatment, cooling, agriculture, or
aquaculture which would occupy or damage coastal marshlands or life forms therein;
(7) Construction of structures which constitute an obstruction of view to adjoining riparian
landowners, including signs and enclosures; and
(8) Occupying a live-aboard for more than 30 days during any calendar year; provided, however,
that the commissioner may grant extensions of time beyond 30 days to persons making a request
in writing stating the reasons for such extension. Owners of docks where live-aboards are
moored as well as owners and occupants of live-aboards are responsible under this part.


12-5-282. Definitions:
(8) 'Live-aboard' means a floating vessel or other water craft which is moored to a dock, tree, or
piling or anchored in the estuarine waters of the state and is utilized as a human or animal abode.
Live-aboards include but are not limited to monohulls, multihulls, houseboats, floating homes,
and other floating structures which are used for human or animal habitation.
I question the legality of that law. Sounds like something someone wrote with no scientific backing and without consideration of whether it would pass the federal courts. But who knows... I am not a lawyer. Yet it seems to me that a person has a right to live and survive. I don't remember in the constitution where it said that right was limited to those owning a house on land.

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