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Re: Stay out of Georgia

Hey Cupper & Brent --

You guys do realize that the Great White is a really, REALLY long way from the state of Georgia, right?
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Re: Stay out of Georgia

Harper is run amuck, and you've got no recall provisions, no impeachment...you've, ah, forgotten what "checks and balances" means?

And how does a 15-year old Canadian become a Canadian child soldier? Don't your recruiters ask for a note from Mommy before they take them that young? Or was he in Kenya and then bourght home under arrest after Mommy complained?

So confusing...whether I translate it into US-English or UK-English, I still can't make sense of it.
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Re: Stay out of Georgia

To remove Georgia from your list because of a concern over 'liveaboard' laws or tax laws is rather simple. Georgia is one of the most beautiful, enjoyable places I have ever SAILED. The many miles of creeks, rivers and waterways, and the barrier islands too, are all stunning and interesting and magical - if you have kids, spending time in this area is almost a must, its a world of wonder. So if you only get 30days before being taxed, then move on - but dont skip it!
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Re: Stay out of Georgia

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Hey Cupper & Brent --

You guys do realize that the Great White is a really, REALLY long way from the state of Georgia, right?
Yes, I do and I will be there next month... .should be just in time for peaches, don't you think?

Brent needed some serious correction on his view that he had on comparing the Canadian situation to the Georgia one, but on behalf of him and myself, I apologize for our highjack of this thread.

I am sure Brent will concur with the entirety of the above sentence.
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Harper is run amuck, and you've got no recall provisions, no impeachment...you've, ah, forgotten what "checks and balances" means?
Oh my goodness, to be so naive about other country's government systems.

We have this thing called election whereby our leaders are chosen. By real people, not some antiquated electoral votes system. If our Prime Minister loses the confidence of parliament, a new election is called.

Check and balance. Different, but its been used significantly more then the pretend impeachment process that does not get rid of a US president. You know, like Clinton.

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And how does a 15-year old Canadian become a Canadian child soldier? Don't your recruiters ask for a note from Mommy before they take them that young? Or was he in Kenya and then bourght home under arrest after Mommy complained?
Probably the same way 15 year old American boys who lied about their age made it into the American armed forces in WWII
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Harper won by a huge amount of fraud, sells our country out, and governs by decree, when 60% of voters voted against him..
Knowing Georgia cops can come aboard, any time day or night, beat up and frame the occupants, and wreck things with impunity, takes the peace and relaxation out of any cruise, regardless of the surroundings..
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Brent,, quit hyperventilating. Your over the top enunciations destroy future credibility.

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Harper won by a huge amount of fraud, sells our country out, and governs by decree, when 60% of voters voted against him..
Huge amount of fraud? Common on Brent. Get real.

BTW, nice leftist touch on the "60% who voted against him". Name me the only two Prime Ministers in the last 50 years who got over 50 % of the vote?

Never mind, I will save you looking it up. They were both Conservative... Diefenbaker and Mulroney. NO Liberal PM got more than 50% since St. Laurent back in 1953.

So get off that "the majority didn't vote for him" schtick. By now you should know how our representative and parliamentary democracy works.
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It is clear you don't like Harper or any Conservative. I couldn't stand Chretien or any Liberal. BUT, I do give credit where credit is due, and Chretien did a lot fiscally that Harper is benefiting from. Actually, if truth be known, Chretien executed on Mulroney's foundation, NAFTA and the GST. But he did execute on it, so I do give credit for that.

I hated his social policies, especially the gun registry.



Well, that is your opinion. I have no problem with our security forces learning from others. Although there are issues I have with individual police forces in the States, let's not call all of them goons, because they are not.



Actually, the RCMP Act currently severely restricts the commissioner, and he is lobbying for changes. I see that as a positive.



It's about time we stopped the catch and release program we have had in Canada. That will require prison space. Our hug a thug feel good program clearly has not worked, and I don't want those miscreants out in our general population.



I truly stand up and applaud that move. Any small time 'activist' group with a fly up their butt could and did avail themselves of the court challenges program. It was misused and abused by those 'social activist' and borderline environmental groups. What a waste of taxpayers money! If a situation is important to a group, it can find the money.

How do I know? Because I was involved in such a court case that ended up in the Supreme Court... the gun registration bill. We lost, but we also raised the funds from firearm owners because it was a cause they could get behind. It was important to them.

So, waaa, waaaa, waaa for those groups crying about the cancellation. If it is important, people will support you. If not, sucks to be you.



I am still mixed on the Northern Gateway. I believe Enbridge has clearly done a good job on mitigation of any potential problems with shipping in the Douglas channel.

I have concerns about stream crossings, and they have not convinced me on that yet.

Your projection of the 'inevitable oil coat etc' is not valid in my opinion, based on what I know the mitigation efforts are. Don't forget, there are currently ships transporting volatile fluids that go there, and have for decades. As far as I am aware, there has never been a problem, and for most of the time those were single hull vessels. Correct me if I am wrong.



Oh, you mean Omar Khadr, whose terrorist family includes a father who was Bin Laden's bag man, and a mother and sister who praised Omar's terrorist activities on TV? May Omar rot in Gitmo until he is an old man. I knew right from wrong at 15, so don't give me the BS Omar the Terrorist didn't.

That poor baby! Sorry, but I can not understand how anyone can find sympathy for that creep. You seem to forget that many Canadian boys lied about their age to join the army in WWI and WWII. Lots joined at 15. And served their country.

Now Omar the Terrorist is an innocent child? Please, give it a break!



And the US is enforcing Canadian law on US soil by the same agreement. Come on Brent, it is an issue of that arises only in the name of 'hot pursuit'.

That same agreement resulted in the capture of the murderer of the three armored car employees here in Edmonton that occurred last month. No extradition required. I kind of like that effect.




Sorry, you will have to advise what you are referring to, as I don't know.



You mean he is enforcing the anti-terrorist laws passed by the Liberal governments? Don't like them? Lobby to have them removed. I did on the gun registry. I appeared before the Justice Committee twice, I lobbied both Liberal and Conservative cabinet ministers and I was heavily involved with the Supreme Court challenge. It took 15 years to overturn that law. What are YOU doing about opposing the anti-terrorist law if you don't like it?



We are probably 'stuck' l Harper for at least another 6.5 years. The NDP will not win the next election, and the Liberals don't have a hope in hell.

After that, all bets are off. Inevitably, some scandal will hit the Conservatives, they will get complacent, or they will invoke 'entitlement' like the Liberals did. My guess is the NDP will fade back into third place, and commonsense Liberals will rise, and perhaps have a legitimate crack at government.

But not next election.
Getting rid of the gun registry was Harpers one useful function in life. Now that it is gone, he has nothing left to to offer his main base of support, rural Canada.( whos votes count for far more than urban votes). He is puting the boots to them in other ways.
I had no use for Liberals, after that extreme right wing move( Thou shalt eat only corporate food)
The goon tactics were well descibe in the Pensylvania incident, common in US law enforcment policies, and tactics.
US right wing Republicans, in Texas have warned Harper that the "throw the biggest portion of your population in history, in prison" has been an abysmal failure. Scadinavian countries have the lowest per capita prison population, and a much lower crime rate.
Now only an individiual who is filthy rich, and has a fly up his butt, can get constitutional rulings.A Supreme court judge said the Canadian legal sytem has lost all credibility, as a mechanism for resolving disputes, for anyone but the super rich.
While I was on the executive of the attorney general's riding association, I caught a cop lying in court. No way I, nor anyone else, could get him charged. Head poncho told me there is nothing illegal about a mountie lying in colurt.
Read about Enbridges latest screwup, in Michegan? They kept pumping oil into a broken line for 17 hours after they had been told it was broken. The kept pumping oil thru it for 5 years after they had found out it was cracked. And we should trust them with the entire northern BC coast? One US judge called them "Keystone cops."
When they extradited Marc Emory, they refused to charge him under Canadian law on Canadian soil, because they had utter contempt for laws passed in Canada by the duly elected Canadian government, so imposed laws passed by a foreign govenment, on a Canadian on Canadian soil, clearly a case of contempt of court. How would politics in your beloved US react to such a move?.
Liberals are dead for the forseeable future. Conservatives have had scandal after scandal, for the last few years.( $29,000 for two nights in a hotel , $23,000 for three in Istanbul, a $16 glass of orange juice, electoral fraud, Miltary helicopter rides at tax payers expense for a fishing trip, the list goes on). They have consistently been far behind the NDP in opinion polls,for several months now, and things are not about to get better for them. The NDP will win the next federal election.
Apologies for getting off topic, but when Cupper started putting out this stuff, I couldnt let this false drivel go unchallenged.
We get far too much disinformation from the far right.
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...............The NDP will win the next federal election.
Apologies for getting off topic, but when Cupper started putting out this stuff, I couldnt let this false drivel go unchallenged.
We get far too much disinformation from the far right.
You keep believing that if it makes you feel good. Canada is not going to turn socialist... we tried that before, and it didn't work, in fact, we are still trying to get out of that deficit crap.
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Congratulations on hijacking this thread all the way to off-topic.
Brent, you are starting to sound like the Canuck version of Bwalker. Put your metalworking skills to building boats, not tinfoil hats.

Emory was an idiot who thought he was smarter than his lawyer and the DOJ, proving once again that consistent and prolonged pot use impacts your judgement and affects your intelligence. The only thing martyr and moron have in common is the number of syllables and the first letter. Emory is the latter, not the former.
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