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Re: (Not so) Secret Spot in Hawaii

So, is there a Hawaiian Web site, as with Georgia's, that explains/publishes regulations for living aboard?

Because someone sailing in from some distant shore is assuredly 'living aboard' their vessel. Most aren't going to be able to rush right over from a dock or anchorage to check into a Waikiki hotel suite.

Often I'm left puzzled by the thinking (or lack thereof) of those who persecute sailors. That elaborate -wink, wink- routine in the video non-pluses.
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So, is there a Hawaiian Web site, as with Georgia's, that explains/publishes regulations for living aboard?

Because someone sailing in from some distant shore is assuredly 'living aboard' their vessel. Most aren't going to be able to rush right over from a dock or anchorage to check into a Waikiki hotel suite.

Often I'm left puzzled by the thinking (or lack thereof) of those who persecute sailors. That elaborate -wink, wink- routine in the video non-pluses.
Yes, there is a site. I don't have the URL handy but you should be able to find it on Google easy enough under State of Hawaii, DLNR Boating.

As I recall from living in Hawaii for thirty years (I lived aboard for 17 years), Live aboard permits are available at the Ala Wai Small Boat Harbor and Ke'ehi Lagoon, both in Honolulu. There is a waiting list that may be up to several years for a slip depending on the size of boat. You have to get a slip before you can apply for a live aboard permit for which there may be another wait list.

There are no legal live aboard slips available on any of the neighbor islands.

Transient live aboards, i.e. cruisers, are permitted for a limited time on a space available basis at the discretion of the Harbor Master.

There are published rules and policies, and then there are the interpretation applied by the Harbor Master at any given harbor. There can be wide variations from island to island.

Hawaii is notoriously unfriendly to boaters.
When we arrived at the Ala Wai after sailing from San Francisco in 2010 the Harbor Master informed us that there was a thirty day waiting list for a transient berth. This in a harbor with nearly a thousand slips, dozens of which were clearly empty. I won't even go into the horrid security problems at state harbors on Oahu.

Fortunately, not all berths are controlled by the state. Also fortunate, for us, we were long time Hawaii residents and had friends who helped us out with a berth at
Permanent live-aboards are not allowed there but as transients we were OK for a few months. PBYC is on a month-to month lease from the state so it could disappear at any time.

If you are used to boating facilities on the mainland I think it is fair to say you will be confused and disappointed by Hawaii.

The weather is very nice though.
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Re: (Not so) Secret Spot in Hawaii

On the one hand, I understand the 'no more room in the lifeboat' syndrome of some very popular islands. French Polynesia has had to deal with a long-running problem of people getting there somehow, and due to the wonderful climate and easy style of life, never wanting to ever leave again. Most don't bring the money with them that a Robert Louis Stevenson or Marlon Brando did.

In traditional societies with limited resources, everything is already allocated, and there's already some friction, familial, clan, and tribal, between the native folk themselves. See Fiji and those Kanaks the British imported.

However, an hostile attitude toward folk who may not be there for more than 90 days will make an unemployment situation worse and spread bad word-of-mouth. That's what Hawaii probably needs, a 90-day 'visa' which will immediately put your boat into a transient slip, with some sort of process for applying for a longer stay - if one invests in hiring locals or gets a tax-paying job.

The subtext to your post I read is, don't sail nowadays to Hawaii unless you already have personal friends there who can 'hook you up' with some sort of clandestine deal. Or, bring lots of money so monthly envelopes can be passed under the table.

Nice mermaid. Celebrations of pulchritude is the sort of thing every garden needs.
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On the one hand, I understand the 'no more room in the lifeboat' syndrome of some very popular islands. French Polynesia has had to deal with a long-running problem of people getting there somehow, and due to the wonderful climate and easy style of life, never wanting to ever leave again. Most don't bring the money with them that a Robert Louis Stevenson or Marlon Brando did.

In traditional societies with limited resources, everything is already allocated, and there's already some friction, familial, clan, and tribal, between the native folk themselves. See Fiji and those Kanaks the British imported.

However, an hostile attitude toward folk who may not be there for more than 90 days will make an unemployment situation worse and spread bad word-of-mouth. That's what Hawaii probably needs, a 90-day 'visa' which will immediately put your boat into a transient slip, with some sort of process for applying for a longer stay - if one invests in hiring locals or gets a tax-paying job.

The subtext to your post I read is, don't sail nowadays to Hawaii unless you already have personal friends there who can 'hook you up' with some sort of clandestine deal. Or, bring lots of money so monthly envelopes can be passed under the table.

Nice mermaid. Celebrations of pulchritude is the sort of thing every garden needs.
I did not want to come right out and say it quite that way but, yes, that is the way it works. Unfortunately.
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Re: (Not so) Secret Spot in Hawaii

I like things to be explicit and on the table. Bad surprises can hide in shadows and between the lines.

Spiritually speaking, I'm from Missouri.
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