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DubeJ 10-18-2010 08:19 PM

Motoring while sailing ????
 
Ok, I am not sure where this was to go, so here it is.
I recently came across an opportunity that I will partake in where I will be in a non-equity sailing partnership. I know that many of you are against this, but it is the most affordable deal for me, and the guy was cool and yeah yeah yeah...
Anyway my question; I will be sailing a Pearson 30ft and sailing from SoCal (Dana Point or Oceanside) to Catalina a few times this winter. He explained to me though that because of the lack of good wind out there, he motors out, and then sails back. What exactly did that mean? Is that a normal practice of motoring that far (it is 6-7 hours) or what? Please let me know, as I was assuming that one would just sail, although painfully beating if necessary. Any advice or experience is appreciated.

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sailingdog 10-18-2010 08:24 PM

It might be that he wants to get to Catalina faster than he could by sailing there.

wwilson 10-18-2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DubeJ (Post 655926)
... I was assuming that one would just sail, although painfully beating if necessary. Any advice or experience is appreciated.

While waiting for a weather window in Cape May a few seasons ago we were invited aboard a 49-ft boat that the Capt & wife had sailed through three Atlantic Crossings and a year in the Med and years up and down the U.S. East Coast. His observation about motoring still sticks in my mind, "Wayne, the dirty little secret of cruising is that you spend most of your time motoring." Pretty sure the word "most" was used as hyperbole, but do keep that engine in good shape Dubej!

Tempest 10-19-2010 05:52 AM

If you're trying to get somewhere on the east coast of the U.S in summmer months I would venture to say that it was more fact than hyperbole.

CaptainForce 10-19-2010 06:14 AM

When we are crossing to and from the Bahamas and Florida with the Gulfstream flowing at a 2.5kt average at our beam, we always choose to motorsail if we can't make at least 5kts by sail alone. Take care and joy, Aythya crew

christyleigh 10-19-2010 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 656074)
If you're trying to get somewhere on the east coast of the U.S in summmer months I would venture to say that it was more fact than hyperbole.

That's for sure. For me "Sailing" is weekend day sails around the bay such as in my avatar picture where I'm ghosting along at a couple knots in NGBay, or Rail Down.....later when the afternoon SWesterly blasts up the bay.

When it's Vacation Time and we have a destination, usually many miles away, it's Motor Sailing if I can :) and just plain Motoring if I must - Point A to Point B..... :rolleyes:

rgscpat 10-22-2010 01:09 AM

It's a time of day thing; usually there's not much or no wind in the morning. Trying to sail with sail only in minimal wind and a rolling swell isn't fun, and the speed of motoring is especially useful when crossing the big ship traffic separation lanes that come out of Los Angeles/San Pedro harbor. Also, Orange County is downwind in the prevailing breezes from Catalina, so the sail back would probably be more fun.

rgscpat 10-22-2010 02:55 AM

a couple more thoughts about motorsailing to Catalina
 
Oh, yes, although this is less important in the winter, your friend may want to get to Catalina in plenty of time to secure a good mooring, especially if you're going to Avalon. If you're late getting to Catalina, especially during popular warm season weekends, they might be out of balls in Avalon harbor and you might have to take one of the less desirable moorings north of the Casino in more exposed, rolly, rougher water. And, you do have less daylight in the winter, so the crossing needs to get done efficiently.

Motorsailing gives a more comfortable motion than plain motoring and if there's a bit of wind it'll give a nice combination of fuel savings and speed.

DSneade 10-27-2010 03:08 PM

All good advice. I have crossed the San Pedro channel many times and also find the morning winds are very light so motoring at least halfway is usually required to get there in a reasonable time of day. I almost always sail back, but motor out from the island wind shadow before setting the genoa. By the way, Avalon is a great destination in winter; fewer boats, fewer people in general. Check for special events though, since fishing tourneys can cause the mooring balls to be all taken. North of the casino, the conditions can be very rough even in summer. I was banished there a couple of night this past summer. Happy Crossing!

seabrookedan 11-14-2012 07:28 AM

When ur just sitting there dead in the wtr with the mainsail slapping back and forth,gettings ur brains rocked out for hrs and hrs- u'll turn that key!


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