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Re: 6 Americans, 1 Brit vanish at sea

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If you don't agree with what they are doing, then so be it, but why do you insist on arguing about it like a bunch of children?
Because the wooman in your story didn't prey upon the sentimintalty (and time and money) of others like lavidanueva is doing.

And the thought of restricitng the inteligent expression of thought by others is part of it.


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Re: 6 Americans, 1 Brit vanish at sea

I don't understand why there is resistance to supplying dental records. Isn't that a sign that some official action may be in the offing? It's probably just a procedural issue. If government resources are going to be used, they'd want to have the dental records to i.d. any bodies that are or are NOT the crew members.
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Re: 6 Americans, 1 Brit vanish at sea

Thanks for your question. The request for dental records is a procedure undertaken by the office of overseas citizens services to help people bring back the deceased from a foreign land. It is an inappropriate request when an active search is in progress because it confuses the public and relatives.

When the families asked the US Coat Guard to help run drift modeling using data supplied the private search by the RCC-NZ, the Coast Guard said it could not run the drift modeling because the Department of State would not let them. Instead, the Department of State insists the suspended search by the RCC-NZ means the sailors are lost at sea. They confused the term 'suspended search' with a 'closed search'. Instead of helping bring sailors back alive, the only interest the Department of State has exhibited is in requesting dental records and placing road block in the path of the private search.

The DoS is supposed to advocate for Americans, not reduce the chances of developing additional leads upon which the search could be un-suspended.

Now, the DoS says it has no power over the Coast Guard; the Coast Guard says it can't move without the blessing of the DoS and New Zealand says they can't do anything until the U.S. makes a formal request for them to search for the target located on satellite. This is an administrative snafu of epic proportions and seven sailors may pay with their lives.
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Re: 6 Americans, 1 Brit vanish at sea

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Because the wooman in your story didn't prey upon the sentimintalty (and time and money) of others like lavidanueva is doing.

And the thought of restricitng the inteligent expression of thought by others is part of it.


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Mark, it appears from several threads that you have been involved with on various sailing forums lately that you have a very high opinion of your own opinion.

It also seems that your definition of intelligent in the intelligent expression of thought is that expression of thought that agrees with you.

There are lots of shades of gray in this black and white world.
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Re: 6 Americans, 1 Brit vanish at sea

I think what's got my dander up on this thread more than anything is to assume 7 people on a 71' vessel are just sitting out there waiting for rescue.
Even dismasted and rudderless, in 5 months one would think some sort of jury rig could have been developed. There are certainly many, many more stories of survival at sea with people who have made their own way to safety, than the few who have not, and were rescued. The book "Once is Enough" by Miles Smeeton, saved my life, the lives of my wife and daughter and a young man named Nick, after we were capsized 3 times in a hurricane on a 65', 65 year old wooden boat. After reading that book I knew exactly what to do to cover the holes left when the hatches were torn off by the sea.
To imagine that these 7 people did not try to jury rig something to get the boat underway, amazes me. A spinnaker/whisker pole or two, or a boom, and a sail from below, deck, even a pair of oars stuck up in the air with some bed sheets could propel the boat westward at a few miles a day. Something, anything.
I can only assume that after sailing half way around the world, the captain of the Nina was a pretty competent seaman and if he loves the sea and sea stories as I do, that he has read tales of survival in the days before there was anybody to call for help.
Has anyone even taken into account the fact that the Nina could be a hundred or more miles away from their last assumed position? How far from that position was the nearest land? Could they have made any landfall in the time they have been missing at 10 miles a day? At 25?
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Re: 6 Americans, 1 Brit vanish at sea

Folks, I think it's time we called a halt to the debate. Right now we are immersed in a he said she said ever diminishing circle that is beginning to look like a rectum up which we may all disappear.

The thread is not being taken down. Merely locked for the at least the time being.
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