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Looks like a nice ride Paulo.
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Hey, what the hell? There's a Hunter 36 out there still afloat...and...apparently...sailing! That's not possible.

Heh-heh.
Hunters aren't safe, everybody knows that. This summer I sailed in a Hunter 340. We were 25nm offshore and got sustained 30 knot winds. The boat just broke apart and we all died. True story.

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On a side note, more two Catalina with rudder problems: one lost it and the other loss steering. Obviously Catalinas, or at least some vintage, have a problem with rudders. That does not mean that Catalinas cannot sail safely but that they have to do a lot more rudder maintenance than other boats. I would liked very much to know if those two Catalina had their rudder system conveniently checked before doing this passage and when was the systems completed dismounted for a thoroughly inspection.

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Hum, It seems strange however it can be a coincidence.... and I have messed up, after all it is the Hunters that have known problems with the rudders, not Catalina, or at least till now


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are you talking about the catalina 38?

the catalina 38 is a yankee 38 designed by sparkman and stephens and was bought by catalina after yankee went out of business...the catalina 38 used the same molds BUT changed the rudder design since the y38 was known for being finicky downwind.

catalina 38's were used for club racing in southern california and were made lighter and faster by catalina...I foget the name of the cup but they used them exclusively in the 80s and 90s...admirals cup or something.

the yankee 38 is still regarded as one of the best mid to big 30footers...too bad they only made 20 or so of them in costa mesa, ca. yankee could not keep up with its quality when the 70s oil crisis hit.

the yankee 30 its smaller brother was more prolific, same quality and designers.

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That can't be true and makes no sense. Do you are saying that if I Issue a Pan Pan adverting the Australian CG for a serious problem and asking them to follow me for safety reasons (for instance contacting every 6 hours) because I have one of the following situations:

1 - I am making water but I have managed to stop the ingress to acceptable levels and I am trying to make it to port.

2. I have broken my mast, lost the engine, managed to jury rig and I am trying to make it to Port.

Are you saying that face to these circumstances the Australians will divert ships and launch aircrafts and helicopters just in case the Pan Pan turns in a mayday?

That does not makes sense.

As I have said an Epirb launch or a DSC emergency signal is a Mayday and cannot be used on a Pan Pan.

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In the examples you give you have called a PAN PAN but confirmed that there is no need for external assistance.

In reality most PAN PAN's include a request for external assistance, or an uncertainty about the situation.

My belief is based on seeing/discussing local Marine Rescue response plans. I will seek clarification and let you know.

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Hunters aren't safe, everybody knows that. This summer I sailed in a Hunter 340. We were 25nm offshore and got sustained 30 knot winds. The boat just broke apart and we all died. True story.
I was there too.
I don't think it was the the Hunters fault.
What really happened is that the two bull dogs we had for companions were deathly seasick.
While you were cleaning your full automatic weapon with armor piercing rounds one of the dogs threw up on you.
That caused a series of events.
The gun went off spraying the cabin with bullets. Fortunately none of the rounds hit below the waterline.
One round however ricocheted off the marble counter top and hit the switch on the new anchor windless releasing all 200 feet of line.
Due to the the waves the boat twisted around and the rode fouled the prop causing the engine to break its mounts immediately destroying the stern tube.

This of course caused the boat to sink and subsequently our death.

So while the Hunter did fall apart, it was due to a bad anchor, bull-dogs, marble counter tops and firearms.

Get your story straight.
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I was there too.
I don't think it was the the Hunters fault.
What really happened is that the two bull dogs we had for companions were deathly seasick.
While you were cleaning your full automatic weapon with armor piercing rounds one of the dogs threw up on you.
That caused a series of events.
The gun went off spraying the cabin with bullets. Fortunately none of the rounds hit below the waterline.
One round however ricocheted off the marble counter top and hit the switch on the new anchor windless releasing all 200 feet of line.
Due to the the waves the boat twisted around and the rode fouled the prop causing the engine to break its mounts immediately destroying the stern tube.

This of course caused the boat to sink and subsequently our death.

So while the Hunter did fall apart, it was due to a bad anchor, bull-dogs, marble counter tops and firearms.

Get your story straight.
Wouldn't of happened in a steel boat with high lifelines.
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Well, I guess, I've been told. Thanks for clearing that up.
Lost in all the 200 posts about sailing is that apparently you and I now need to burn our worthless Coast Guard licenses (post #95).

What do you think? Lighter, or match? ;-)

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Lost in all the 200 posts about sailing is that apparently you and I now need to burn our worthless Coast Guard licenses (post #95).

What do you think? Lighter, or match? ;-)

either! I lost mine ajajajaajaja
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