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Like SV Auspicious and Jon E, I suspect the conditions were much worse than reported. I mean come on!!... how many of you have ever made a passage where the winds and waves were as reported??? If it was one boat losing its rudder or whatever, I might have a different opinion. But wasn't it two demastings and two lost rudders and everything else? Yikes. WHat a terrible start to a great trip. I have a friend who also followed it (he has a good friend in the rally) and they were reporting gusts in the 50s. We talked about this a bit a couple of days ago.

I actually agree with Dave that these rally's are a good thing (may have been Jon's position too). I also believe they can increase the safety. I don't buy into the 'herd mentality' thing that keeps getting thrown out. Instead, I think it is a group of sailors (of all levels of experience and boats) working out and talking out the best time to leave and weather windows. If it is anything like down here, the conversations drift into safety gear, what meds you take, drogues, reefs, etc. Lively discussions come from it over a beer or two. That is all good stuff and certainly outweighs any 'herd mentality' that might come from it and even more so, might invoke a few thought process that a single person has not come up with. We sailors are, by nature, a pretty independent bunch of people who also enjoy a bit of socializing. I love the rally idea, though I have never done one. I am simply too fickle in where I want to go and when. THat being said, my wife wants to do the ARC. I think that would be a blast, but I dont want to do it with the kids. One of us would kill each other... probably with me jumping overboard somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic!

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Americans like safety, Paulo. We just don't like the government to force it down our throats. We prefer to police ourselves.
But don't we already have that? Life jackets, flares, etc?

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Plan to do this rally. Just the net and weather updates make it worth while. The hell with the T shirt- no killer cotton on my boat.
Paulo - unfortunately you can't fix stupid. Going out on a boat ill prepared will continue to happen. Even in NZ how can they hope to police their rules if folks leave to go cruising some night and don't expect to come back to NZ for time to come? Be curious as to what the penalties are?

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Plan to do this rally. Just the net and weather updates make it worth while. The hell with the T shirt- no killer cotton on my boat.
Paulo - unfortunately you can't fix stupid. Going out on a boat ill prepared will continue to happen. Even in NZ how can they hope to police their rules if folks leave to go cruising some night and don't expect to come back to NZ for time to come? Be curious as to what the penalties are?
Absolutely! I think that rally is a great idea. 2014?

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The weather routing really didn't work at all.

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yup- Lord willing and the creek don't rise.

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The weather routing really didn't work at all.
It's the first time the weather forecasters could not predict the future.....
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Option 1. No doubt.

Just the thought of not having a BFS Tee would make his girlfriend pressure him into attending a SAS seminar and upgrade the boat. Hell - she'd take the boat away from him and do it herself.
Ok, I hard that apparently the Pardeys also want to do the BFS Rally, they have heard there will be one hell of a Beach BBQ. They have also told Beth Leonard that Smack makes the rum punch to end all rum punches.....and she and Evan are keen to come along.

Despite having more than 4 circumnavigations under their belt between them under your requirments, that is the ISAF regs, they are apparently 'not safe' and will not be able to drink punch with us all becuase of ISAF Bob's clipboard

This is because of specific educated decisions they have made in regards to what they believe is best for the safety of their vessel which differs to what the lawyers of yachting bodies and associations have decreed.

However Martin and Mary retired accountants on their brand new Hunter 50 ( Sorry couldn't resist ) from Suburbiaville have read all the regs and dropped thousands on gear they don't understand. They have let some flares off and sat in a Liferaft in the Suburniaville pool and done a qualifying passage with Jane and Doug on their Island Packet last summmer. Martin can't wait to get one on those tshirts knowing they are ' BFS safe'.

( By the way Mary said she saw ISAF Bob passed out under the Punch bowl...)

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Ok, I hard that apparently the Pardeys also want to do the BFS Rally, they have heard there will be one hell of a Beach BBQ. They have also told Beth Leonard that Smack makes the rum punch to end all rum punches.....and she and Evan are keen to come along.

Despite having more than 4 circumnavigations under their belt between them under your requirments, that is the ISAF regs, they are apparently 'not safe' and will not be able to drink punch with us all becuase of ISAF Bob's clipboard

This is because of specific educated decisions they have made in regards to what they believe is best for the safety of their vessel which differs to what the lawyers of yachting bodies and associations have decreed.

However Martin and Mary retired accountants on their brand new Hunter 50 ( Sorry couldn't resist ) from Suburbiaville have read all the regs and dropped thousands on gear they don't understand. They have let some flares off and sat in a Liferaft in the Suburniaville pool and done a qualifying passage with Jane and Doug on their Island Packet last summmer. Martin can't wait to get one on those tshirts knowing they are ' BFS safe'.

( By the way Mary said she saw ISAF Bob passed out under the Punch bowl...)
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Ok let's say another multi-cirucmnavigator( I might stop using the Pardeys or Beth and Evan as specific examples here they both read forums ) wants to join in the BFS cup.

They also have slightly different idea's in regards to liferafts than ISAF ( becuase they are seasoned doublehanded circumnavigators, not offshore racing crews) that technically means they don't meet regs.

BUT They would love to sponsor the BFS cup, run safety seminars, teach storm tactics as it applies to double handed cruising yachts to everyone, commit to spending 2 weeks walking around the dock helping everyone get the boats ready, show Martin and Mary how to Hove to in the floating carvan, Heck they are even going to bring the rum......

What then? Which Option is safest??

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