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Re: Offshore Rescues

We have a double thread going on with "trouble enroute Caribbean", where I posted before seeing this thread. Shall we pick one?
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Hadn't heard about this so I looked up the CG reports:
Coast Guard rescues 4, assists others off Va., NC coasts | Coast Guard News
Sounds like all the boats are still afloat, some crews wanted out when conditions were bad. When in a gale it's always seemed unlikely that someone could locate and safely rescue me from my not sinking boat.

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Re: Trouble on Route to the Caribbean

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"winds above 25 mph, with ocean swells of 5 to 8 feet."
Pretty sad, IMO, that folks are heading out into the ocean and have trouble bad enough to require calling for help in these conditions.
Something is very, very wrong here.
If this continues we are going to get the kind of government interference that NZ has, that restricts offshore sailors and is very costly to comply with.
"winds above 25 mph, with ocean swells of 5 to 8 feet." is just about what we sail in daily in the Caribbean Christmas winds; certainly nothing beyond the capability of any well found cruising boat.
Yes, but they also got seasick! Time for a rescue....
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I don't know all the facts surrounding this rally...but these rallies seem to offer a false sense of security to the inexperienced and unprepared. Once in the soup..everyone has their hands full. It's not like you can all raft up out there and sing kumbya.. With few exceptions, The only one coming to get you is the CG or the Navy.

Leaving a safe port on some arbitrary schedule set months in advance..because you see others doing it without factoring in all the variables: ship, crew, experience, etc is just reckless.
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Yes, but they also got seasick! Time for a rescue....
I've been seasick on a boat delivery. Fortunately, I was the only one of the crew and it was temporary and the conditions were nowhere near what the rally encountered. For about 18 hours my ability to handle the most basic of tasks was impaired although I tried as best I could to pull my weight. I can kinda see how, an entire crew being seasick under the conditions the rally went through, even if some of you think those conditions "not all that bad", would increase the risk of something catastrophic happening if everyone on the boat was impaired and unable to make a reasoned decision. I don't know this for certain, but if on top of that the crew was inexperienced, that risk would be even greater.
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I'm going to merge all of the rally threads into this one.

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Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

I did just notice that NARC has put up on their main page an account of the 2011 fatality and rescues:

THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE ONLY INVITING LARGER BOATS AND EXPERIENCED SAILORS

Much different than booze on a beach.

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Re: Offshore Rescues

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Sounds like the Salty Dawg Rally is earning an unfortunate reputation:

CG responds to fifth distressed boat

Five freakin' boats pushing the button? With 10'-12' seas reported?

What's going on out there?
"25 mph, with ocean swells of 5 to 8 feet. "

"The rescued boaters, who reported they were taking on water and were sick"

Four rescued from storm-battered sailboat off Atlantic Coast - U.S. News

What means taking on water? means that the boat was taking some water (that is a normal thing in a storm) or that they had problems and were taking more water than the one they could pump out?

Sick? Meaning seasick, or really sick?

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Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

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I did just notice that NARC has put up on their main page an account of the 2011 fatality and rescues:

THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE ONLY INVITING LARGER BOATS AND EXPERIENCED SAILORS

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It seems these guys think that larger boats are safer.

"The Rally this year is restricted to Professionally crewed boats or boats that are big enough or fast enough to get to Bermuda in 4 to 4 1/2 days and crewed by experienced crew who have made the passage before. Smaller boats and less experienced sailors should spend September and October heading down to the Chesapeake and check out their boat and systems while they are still close to land. The are two rallies that depart from Hampton Roads Virginia Nov 4th."

Some here would strongly disagree

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Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Perhaps it's time people were charged for this service. I can't even imagine what it costs the taxpayers to send a Hercules or two and a chopper out 275 miles or so because some folks are seasick and scared.
There have been a few times when I wanted to whistle for a taxi, and every time the wind was a lot closer to 100 knots than 25, but they just weren't available in those days, thankfully. We always got through it, no matter how bad it was. We learned that we'd be just fine if we did what we were supposed to do, IE: heave to, run a drogue or whatever the conditions required.
I'm guessing it's just too easy to give up and call for a free ride, these days.
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