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This thread is still going???

Perhaps there should be an ISAF special regulation on beating dead horses
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This thread is still going???

Perhaps there should be an ISAF special regulation on beating dead horses
Considering the various divergent discussions covered here, I think 'thread' is a misnomer. I was considering other descriptions to use - web, net, tapestry - but those imply an order or regularity not found here, so I think I'll go with 'tangle'.

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as in "oh what a tangled web we weave" - that sort of tangle?
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Rallies and Weather, from OCEAN NAVIGATOR...

He obviously hasn't read this thread, or he would have noticed the issue of insurance dictating departure timing being discussed :-)

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He obviously hasn't read this thread, or he would have noticed the issue of insurance dictating departure timing being discussed
Y'all heard it here first folks. *grin*

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Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

In the above referenced article in Ocean Navigator the statement by the weather router Ken McKinley

"The idea that weather routers have “aided and abetted” the notion that sailors can go voyaging without ever facing a gale at sea is mildly offensive to me."

when referring to John Harries statement in his blog post is very interesting and John's statement was actually an understatement.

For the last month I have, over my morning coffee sitting in a lovely Caribbean anchorage, been listening to Chris Parker's webcast which starts at 06:00 EST.

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Chris Parker's information is excellent and when you follow on the internet while you have the synoptic and grib files open on your computer you can see the accuracy of the information but you can also follow the type of cruisers that use his information.

Chris Parker had three types of listener/on the webcast and the SSB transmissions:

1) Cruisers seeking information

2) Cruisers seeking advice

3) Cruisers seeking permission to leave the dock.

One cruiser actually needed confirmation that it was safe to undertake a 15 mile trip in protected waters on a sunny day. Another in a cruising cat needed a day when they could cross from Miami to Bimini motor sailing in near calm seas.

I do not fault cruisers who are cautious but I do fault cruisers who do not even develop the skills to sail the 50 nm from No Name Harbor to Bimini, across the Gulf Stream, utilizing the excellent weather data supplied by NOAA. It is obvious that the weather routers do in fact aid and abet this lack of ability and unrealistic expectations of the weather they might encounter.

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3) Cruisers seeking permission to leave the dock.

One cruiser actually needed confirmation that it was safe to undertake a 15 mile trip in protected waters on a sunny day. Another in a cruising cat needed a day when they could cross from Miami to Bimini motor sailing in near calm seas.
Yes, it can be pretty stunning, at times...

One of the best I can recall, is someone asking Chris' blessing to move from Staniel Cay in the Exumas, just down to Little Farmers... On a picture perfect day...

And, no, not via Exuma Sound, but rather in the lee of Great Guana Cay...

One can only marvel at the fact they made it that far, to begin with... :-)

Haven't heard anyone yet ask Chris for guidance re some of the more open stretches of the ICW, but it's probably just a matter of time...

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Yes, it can be pretty stunning, at times...

One of the best I can recall, is someone asking Chris' blessing to move from Staniel Cay in the Exumas, just down to Little Farmers... On a picture perfect day...

And, no, not via Exuma Sound, but rather in the lee of Great Guana Cay...

One can only marvel at the fact they made it that far, to begin with... :-)

Haven't heard anyone yet ask Chris for guidance re some of the more open stretches of the ICW, but it's probably just a matter of time...
Hey, remember the Other Knowles (see above) were also waiting for the Weather Dude to say it was cool to throw off the lines - and they are "experienced bluewater cruisers"!

The lesson? You can't know everything dude.


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Rallies and Weather, from OCEAN NAVIGATOR...

He obviously hasn't read this thread, or he would have noticed the issue of insurance dictating departure timing being discussed :-)

Rallies and weather - Ocean Navigator - Web Exclusives 2013
"To sum up, I totally agree with the main point of the blog post, which is that those who undertake an oceanic passage must be aware of and prepared for adverse conditions which frequently arise during these passages. From a weather forecasting standpoint, voyagers should utilize information generated by a professional meteorologist to help make decisions, and should have the ability to fully understand what that information means and what the confidence levels are. This information can be obtained from a private meteorological consultant, or from forecasts generated by the meteorologists at NOAA. A very important fact to understand is that widely available GRIB data has had no analysis by a professional meteorologist and it should not be the sole resource used for voyage planning."

Jon, this fellow is professional meteorologist that offers his service regarding paid routing and weather counsel to sailors that want to make passages.

What he says regarding sailors needing to have a boat well prepared and needing a minimum of experience is obvious as it is obvious that if someone can pay the services of a good professional to adjust his passage times for the better schedule it will be highly advantageous. He say also that he provides that service fora a rally.

However I doubt that all sailors will have the budget to resource to a hire a professional router and meteorologist to his own exclusive service and then again a Rally properly organized makes sense in what regards information regarding departure and route options since a rally will hire a professional like the one that wrote that article to provide for all that kind of useful information.

The discussion should not be if a Rally can be useful in what regards safety issues (it is clear that it can provide more safety) but regarding what should be the requirements a rally should have to maximize that safety, that obviously will never be a full one, and do not dispense from the participants a certain level of experience and boat preparation. Maybe that should be one of the requirements too.

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