Rallies Gone Wrong - Page 61 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Out There > Vessels Lost, Missing, or in Danger
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree373Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #601  
Old 01-16-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,508
Thanks: 0
Thanked 118 Times in 105 Posts
Rep Power: 4
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
What makes you think they didn't?
Nah, despite the fact that there is no safety inspection for his NARC Rally, either, I have no doubt Hank Schmitt gives any boat he's taking offshore a VERY thorough going over prior to departure...

Didn't appear to make much difference this time, however... like it would have back in November... :-)
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #602  
Old 01-16-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,123
Thanks: 84
Thanked 78 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by outbound View Post
We'll never know but sounds like boat was thrown backward with rudders turned or even hard over. Sounds like bent rudder posts. No amount of inspection or other pre voyage activity would change that. Carrying an emergency rudder system might have been of benefit but if bent hard over even an emergency set up would not allow meaningful steerage.
?are there any more details known?
The guys over on SA are picking it apart pretty good. But it's still all conjecture. Until Doane writes it up, it will all be guesswork.

In any case, it's a serious black eye for Aero/Alpha.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #603  
Old 01-16-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,123
Thanks: 84
Thanked 78 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Meanwhile, back on the topic of Rallies Gone Wrong...

It's been pretty quiet on the SDR front. I wonder how long it will take for them to polish off the pig and booze and start the review?
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #604  
Old 01-16-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,508
Thanks: 0
Thanked 118 Times in 105 Posts
Rep Power: 4
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Meanwhile, back on the topic of Rallies Gone Wrong...

It's been pretty quiet on the SDR front. I wonder how long it will take for them to polish off the pig and booze and start the review?
Well, if history is any guide, these things can sometimes take time... :-)

For example, I'm still awaiting the Caribbean 1500's "review" of their boats abandoned back in 1999, the more recent tragedy and loss of life involving RULE 62, and the NARC's assessment of the same in 2012...
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #605  
Old 01-16-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,123
Thanks: 84
Thanked 78 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

That's a lot of pig-n-booze.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #606  
Old 01-16-2014
TomMaine's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 334
Thanks: 5
Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 4
TomMaine is on a distinguished road
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Meanwhile, back on the topic of Rallies Gone Wrong...

It's been pretty quiet on the SDR front. I wonder how long it will take for them to polish off the pig and booze and start the review?
I haven't followed this whole thread(it's epic long ), but I continue to follow some friends and a few boats from the SDR.

Friends that lost their engine and another UK couple we met, each had trying passages. But they never looked back.

They've been "cruising" up a storm! In fact, they've gone through some passages since their SDR passage, that seemed as daunting as the original(great blogs to follow).

It just makes me wonder if the ever-ongoing,'rallys good-rallys bad', forum threads, exist in a vacuum that the SDR and other participants, are not aware of?

What the hell is wrong with them!!!
blowinstink likes this.
__________________
Tom Young sailing a 1961 38' Alden Challenger, CHRISTMAS out of
Rockport, Maine.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

'I'd have written a shorter post, but I didn't have the time', Mark Twain.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #607  
Old 01-16-2014
smackdaddy's Avatar
Last Man Standing
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 13,123
Thanks: 84
Thanked 78 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 9
smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough smackdaddy is a jewel in the rough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by TomMaine View Post
It just makes me wonder if the ever-ongoing,'rallys good-rallys bad', forum threads, exist in a vacuum that the SDR and other participants, are not aware of?

What the hell is wrong with them!!!
Of course this is a vacuum! What kind of idiots read forums anyway? Heh-heh.

We'll see what the SDR ends up doing.

If nothing else, I guarantee that there are potential ralliers that will read this thread and weigh the pros and cons of the various rallies. To me - that's a good thing. That's really what it's all about. I've learned a lot.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

S/V Dawn Treader - 1989 Hunter Legend 40

Last edited by smackdaddy; 01-16-2014 at 11:09 PM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #608  
Old 01-17-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,508
Thanks: 0
Thanked 118 Times in 105 Posts
Rep Power: 4
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by outbound View Post
We'll never know but sounds like boat was thrown backward with rudders turned or even hard over. Sounds like bent rudder posts. No amount of inspection or other pre voyage activity would change that. Carrying an emergency rudder system might have been of benefit but if bent hard over even an emergency set up would not allow meaningful steerage.
?are there any more details known?
More information has been posted on the Alpha website...

Had to be one hell of a rogue wave to bring a boat sailing at 8 knots to be immediately forced backwards against her rudders... Sounds like they're very fortunate that huge expanse of picture windows remained intact... :-)

1.5" tubular stainless rudderstock doesn't exactly sound "massive", to me... However, perhaps the most surprising aspect of this particular boat, to me, is the fact that she carried a pair of 3-BLADE FIXED PROPS... On a half million dollar performance cruising multihull??? WTF?

Quote:

We have very sad news. On route from New York to the Caribbean our Alpha 42 Nr 1 was hit by a big rogue wave. On Monday Jan 13th the US Coast guard received a pick up-call from Capt Hank Schmitt who skippered Be Good Too.

Capt. Hank Schmitt is a professional delivery captain with over 200,000 ocean miles and over 50 passages along the same route. Hank was carefully chosen by the owner as he is a very experienced catamaran sailor.

Schmitt’s account :”.…We had just passed the Gulfstream in rough waters sailing on a close reach under a double reefed mainsail at 8 knots with the autopilot engaged. All was well when suddenly we got hit by a big rogue wave that not only stopped the boat but violently pushed us backwards onto our rudders. At that point we realized that both rudders were severely damaged. One rudder spun around the stock, the other rudder reversed against the hull and was jammed forcing the boat to port. Even with the stbd motor at full throttle the boat would only go to stbd. After spending 2 days sailing in a circle our options dwindled as the weather was deteriorating even more. Since we were 300 miles offshore we decided to make the call to be taken off the boat. The boat was very strong and we never felt unsafe. In spite of heavy impacts the boat did not have any structural issues. No monohull or catamaran steering system violently pushed backwards could have survived this. At one point the boat experienced 50 knot winds and 20 foot seas but the wave piercing bows worked great. We feel very sorry for the owners and the yard for the loss of this boat. ”

We feel very sorry for the loss of this beautiful yacht and are grateful to the men of the US Coast Guard that all 4 crewmen were safely evacuated. Pictures and videos taken by a Jayhawk MH-60 rescue helicopter show the boat perfectly intact. It seems unjustified and is heartbreaking for us to see this labor of more than 2 years abandoned. A salvage company will try to retrieve the boat as soon as conditions permit.

It should be noted that the rudders of the boat were built of massive 1.5 inch solid stainless round tube welded to a closed framework of 2″ wide by 1/4″ thick stainless bars with (2) vertical and (3) horizontal members. Unfortunately no rudder is designed to suddenly lurch into reverse and have 10 Tons of torque applied to them.

Anyone interested in reading the official insurance report signed byCapt. Hank Schmitt and more details of the incident or of the construction of the rudders, please contact the builder, Marc Anassis at Alpha Yachts (marc@alpha1composites.com)

Rogue Wave - Aeroyacht

Last edited by JonEisberg; 01-17-2014 at 07:35 AM.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #609  
Old 01-17-2014
blowinstink's Avatar
Call me Ishmael
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 449
Thanks: 3
Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Rep Power: 8
blowinstink is on a distinguished road
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

The video . . .

Portsmouth man rescued from sailboat | Local News - WMUR Home
__________________
Come not here if you have already spent the best of yourself
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #610  
Old 01-17-2014
PCP's Avatar
PCP PCP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Portugal, West Coast
Posts: 16,166
Thanks: 21
Thanked 96 Times in 80 Posts
Rep Power: 10
PCP will become famous soon enough
Re: Rallies Gone Wrong

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
More information has been posted on the Alpha website...

Had to be one hell of a rogue wave to bring a boat sailing at 8 knots to be immediately forced backwards against her rudders... Sounds like they're very fortunate that huge expanse of picture windows remained intact... :-)

1.5" tubular stainless rudderstock doesn't exactly sound "massive", to me... However, perhaps the most surprising aspect of this particular boat, to me, is the fact that she carried a pair of 3-BLADE FIXED PROPS... On a half million dollar performance cruising multihull??? WTF?
They had just bought the boat planning to retire on it.

Rudders are by far the most fragile part of sailboats and most accidents and boats abandoned had to do with some sort of rudder malfunction.

This was an weird accident in a sense that it is not a vulgar one, I mean ruder being broke with the boat violently thrown backwards by a wave. That can put a huge stress on a rudder that is not designed to take it but the truth is that not many dissemble regularly their rudders for inspection and changing worn parts. I would say that a rudder should be inspected (dismounted) at least all 5 years, even id it does not seem to have any problem and more frequently if an ocean crossing or extensive offshore sailing is to be made.

That is not very expensive on a spade rudder type and certainly it is money well spent.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sailing fraternity rallies for gutted Carrickfergus club NewsReader News Feeds 0 06-25-2012 09:20 AM
Smooth sailing for Fish, Sharapova rallies NewsReader News Feeds 0 08-30-2011 10:10 PM
Smooth sailing for Fish, Sharapova rallies NewsReader News Feeds 0 08-30-2011 10:10 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:54 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.