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I don't really see it as a troublesome "bait and switch". Things are never implemented as they are planned.

Again, I don't think there is much difference between these two rallies. The SDR got bad press this year because of accidents, several years ago it was Carib's turn.

You go in the big sea, you take a big risk.


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This I agree with. At the end of the day, it will good to follow your report on your C1500 experience in your blog. Give us a heads up when the time comes.

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Sure will, whether I do the Carib or get a Delivery Cap....
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This I agree with. At the end of the day, it will good to follow your report on your C1500 experience in your blog. Give us a heads up when the time comes.
Wait! You're not going to try to stop him from going???? What if he is tricked by the weather routers; or follows the pack; or takes an ill equipped boat; or expects the organizers to save him from himself??? Smack! How can you allow this happen??? We count on you to do so much more than this . . . after all, this isn't just a conversation on a dock, it is Sailnet! Do you know how many people you are influencing???



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Be nice...
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Be nice...
SD knows I am just teasing (though he and I have a date to revisit what the meaning of "nice" might be ).

Vt I think your plans are a pretty normal participant's / prospective participant's view of the rallies and your description of the entry requirements consistent with what I have heard and read. Smack's reaction to those plans was the sort of measured response we normally see from him . . .. I'd delete but I wouldn't want to deny him the tongue lashing he is no doubt pounding out for me . . .

I am also looking forward to hearing more about your plans as they develop.

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Wait! You're not going to try to stop him from going???? What if he is tricked by the weather routers; or follows the pack; or takes an ill equipped boat; or expects the organizers to save him from himself??? Smack! How can you allow this happen??? We count on you to do so much more than this . . . after all, this isn't just a conversation on a dock, it is Sailnet! Do you know how many people you are influencing???



God I love this thread, I mean I hate this thread (I love this thread!!!).
Heh-heh. I think, on the face of things, he was very smart choosing the C1500. So what's there to argue about?

I'm actually waiting for you and Jon and Gada and Ausp to start haranguing VT for foolishly spending so much money on the C1500, when the "exact same quality SDR" is free. Hmm.

I don't really care what an individual chooses to do. As I've said all along, I care what organizations who are enticing those individuals out into that big ocean in rallies and thereby realizing revenue from that enticement are doing. That changes the stakes.

I really do think it sucks that the C1500 says one thing in public and another behind the scenes. That deserves some follow up.

Would any of the SDR participants be willing to share their application T&Cs?

(PS - You still haven't answered the question of what your definition of "nice" really is.)

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I don't really care what individual choose to do - as I've said all along - I care what organizations who are enticing those individuals out into that big ocean and thereby realizing revenue from that enticement are doing.
Do you feel "enticed" Vt? (you can ask yourself that in your best Davy Jones / Pirates of the Carib voice if you like)


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Cost is interesting

Carib 1500
Entry $1500
Crew entry $500
Safety gear $400 (i'd argue some of the higher standards are not ultimately useful)

SDR
zero

Delivery Captain
Capn $3000

The Carib 1500 gets close to the Delivery Captain. Maybe the best option is to get a captain and then do the SDR
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Cost is interesting

Carib 1500
Entry $1500
Crew entry $500
Safety gear $400 (i'd argue some of the higher standards are not ultimately useful)

SDR
zero

Delivery Captain
Capn $3000

The Carib 1500 gets close to the Delivery Captain. Maybe the best option is to get a captain and then do the SDR
You may be onto something. And I KNOW Jon and Ausp would be all over that!

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