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How about getting the boat ready by; going through all the systems, spending time sailing it, developing an understanding of weather and sail the boat to the islands without joining a rally or hiring a captain?

Isn't it better know the through hulls/hoses/clamps are in good order, the rig is stout, the engine runs and charges with clean fuel and the sails are robust enough for the required passage.

Is knowledge so intimidating?

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How about... sail the boat to the islands without joining a rally or hiring a captain?

Is knowledge so intimidating?
That was my question 14 months ago: Why Pay to Go On a Rally?: Why pay to sail in a rally?

Apparently, you get a T-shirt and the camaraderie of other dorks...
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That was my question 14 months ago: Why Pay to Go On a Rally?: Why pay to sail in a rally?

Apparently, you get a T-shirt and the camaraderie of other dorks...
Don't forget the roasted pig and painkillers - which typically turns dorks into raging dorks with gas.
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Don't forget the roasted pig...
Are we talking about dinner, or the sunburned First Mate?
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Shock, I think you miss something.

You can have an offshore boat. I have.
You can have lots of knowledge. I think I have.

There is no substitute for experience. If you are going offshore, you need offshore experience before you are responsible to a boat and crew. The way to get that is limited. Crew on other boats, hire cap's, etc etc.

When it's 20' seas and 40 knot wind, you need the experience heavy seas to safely make it through.

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Shock, I think you miss something.

You can have an offshore boat. I have.
You can have lots of knowledge. I think I have.

There is no substitute for experience. If you are going offshore, you need offshore experience before you are responsible to a boat and crew. The way to get that is limited. Crew on other boats, hire cap's, etc etc.

When it's 20' seas and 40 knot wind, you need the experience heavy seas to safely make it through.

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VT - I think what he was saying is that a 1500-mile crank through the Gulf Stream (especially in winter) is an incredibly steep learning curve when it comes to obtaining experience. It's like getting off the couch and hitting Mt. McKinley for a first climb.

This is the real disconnect on these particular rallies and their bar to experience. It's straight into the deep end for many sailors that likely don't have enough gradually-gained experience to deal with it if things get stinky.

Wouldn't it be much better to work up a few thousand miles over many smaller offshore passages in various conditions - than just get one single passage under your belt, then rally southward into what will likely be 20' seas and 40 knot winds...for many days on end?


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40 knots is a good bunch of breeze and you're probably wise to step up to the 2.2 but it's not allot if you throttle back.
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Absolutely smack, the irony is that the gulf presents some of huge most challenging sailing on the east coast, and it's the first thing you hit!


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Absolutely smack, the irony is that the gulf presents some of huge most challenging sailing on the east coast, and it's the first thing you hit!
In 1987, when I was in my twenties, me and four of my buddies learned why you don't cross the gulf stream with a north wind.

We were young, and tough, and ready to go, and we took a Morgan 38 foot from Ft. Lauderdale to Bimini in a 20 knot north wind. To this day, it is still the most miserable time I have ever had in a sailboat. I didn't think we were going to die, but I would have been okay if we had I was puking my guts up so bad.

Think 12 foot waves, so steep that when we hit the bottom of the crest, the waves would wash over the boat back to the mast and past. When we finally got to Bimini (we crossed at night), and had to wait for light to go in the tricky channel there, I actually thought about jumping in and trying to swim to Bimini, just to get on some dry land.

It really is as bad as they say. I've been in much higher wind, and much higher waves, father offshore, that weren't nearly as uncomfortable. It looked and felt like we were in a giant washing machine.

On the other hand, I've made that crossing, and didn't even spill my Coke can sitting on the cockpit seat beside me, when I did what the people who know, said to do.
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My boat meets those standards, including the ability to steer when the rudder falls off, but I never sail to an arbitrary schedule..
Which standards specifically that you know of that were not followed?
Where is the list that you used to fit out your boat?

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