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The date they'd chosen was around the 8th of November, if memory serves - which of course left virtually no wiggle room for crews to be back home for Turkey Day, in the event of any postponement, or even a slower than average passage...
Janet and I spent Thanksgiving in the Bahamas one year. It was great, even if the canned ham was a disaster. Next time we do something like that we'll take smoked ham we can hang somewhere.

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Well, JonE, having one's schedule be set by the seasons is very different from this:

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Nov 2, 2014 • Hampton, VA • Fall 2014 Salty Dawg Rally departure.
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So, as you say, November 21 is the finale party. And December 20 is when they "turn out the lights". I don't know about other events that are scheduled for the arrival of the fleet (additional pig roasts, sundowners, beach parties, whatever) as they aren't yet on the SDR schedule. But you can be pretty sure there are several.

So, the clock is definitely ticking for these participants (not to even mention the Thanksgiving issue). And it has nothing to do with hurricanes or monsoons.

(Oh - and I'm not making a distinction between the SDR and the C1500 in this argument. These issues are the same with virtually any rally - which is why I'm not a fan in general. My point is that the Bumfuzzles at least got the "no schedule" part very right.)
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Sounds good to me. Finish a long passage of around11d and have the issues of the land fall sorted out.
Thing you continue to miss is they say very clearly is exact date of departure is left to captains discretion. Reality is this is the obligate season for this passage which why bill/ Linda picked this time. Weather routers are good for 5 d at best and while underway can only give you a statistical probability of best course. Any knows making best easting as soon as possible is best. Leaving from this area increases probability of a benign stream crossing. Few people can line up crew and keep them ( and themselves) together for more than two weeks.
I hold you in high regard but is your position my way or the highway just like our favorite poster BS.

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No out, it's not my way or the highway at all. But I still hold the same stance I've held for the whole of the thread.

I think the SDR is a great rally for experienced, responsible sailors. I think it's outright dangerous for new sailors (i.e. - one blue water passage). What people want to do with this viewpoint is entirely up to them.


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But Smack any passage is dangerous for new sailors. In fact as SDR states in an effort to indemnify themselves ocean sailing is "an inherently dangerous activity". One would add this is true for all of us. Such an inexperienced person would be very well advised to have a pro captain or very experienced crew. They would also be well advised to delegate the captain role to one more experienced. As stated the insurance companies will place limits on the occurrence of unsafe voyages. Beyond this as Jeff said "You can't fix stupid". No amount of regulation will fix that. If insurance and/or regulations of the rally are so restrictive the inexperienced may choose to leave and follow in proximity to the rally. They only have to pick one of us as a buddy boat on AIS or as a MARPA target. SSB is an open system. They can also make use of that in a parasitic fashion.

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But Smack any passage is dangerous for new sailors. In fact as SDR states in an effort to indemnify themselves ocean sailing is "an inherently dangerous activity". One would add this is true for all of us. Such an inexperienced person would be very well advised to have a pro captain or very experienced crew. They would also be well advised to delegate the captain role to one more experienced.
Out - all of this is absolutely correct. Now if only the SDR would agree with you and raise their standards for entry there would be no debate.

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As stated the insurance companies will place limits on the occurrence of unsafe voyages. Beyond this as Jeff said "You can't fix stupid". No amount of regulation will fix that. If insurance and/or regulations of the rally are so restrictive the inexperienced may choose to leave and follow in proximity to the rally. They only have to pick one of us as a buddy boat on AIS or as a MARPA target. SSB is an open system. They can also make use of that in a parasitic fashion.
After last year's debacle, I can virtually guarantee you that the insurance companies are watching the SDR very closely - as is the CG (remember the Notice to Mariners?). If the SDR gets stupid again, it will be fixed.

And in that vein, if an inexperienced sailor chooses to shadow the SDR over the C1500 - well, he should have his head examined by a brain doctor in BFS gear at a pig roast. You know anyone?


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After last year's debacle, I can virtually guarantee you that the insurance companies are watching the SDR very closely - as is the CG (remember the Notice to Mariners?). If the SDR gets stupid again, it will be fixed.
Please explain how ANY of the incidents involving boats that required assistance
last fall were due to the "SDR's stupidity"... What did that "stupidity" entail, exactly? Following the advice of one of the most renowned weather routers in the business, perhaps?

I've previously linked to the published accounts in CRUISING WORLD from the Alden 46 ZULU, and the blog of the HC 38 that was dismasted... What did they do, precisely, that was "stupid"? And why would the insurors of those vessels hold the organizers of the rally accountable, rather than their owners/skippers themselves?
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And why would the insurors of those vessels hold the organizers of the rally accountable, rather than their owners/skippers themselves?
Handy for the SDR, eh?


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Handy for the SDR, eh?
So, in other words, you got nuthin'...

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My point is that the Bumfuzzles at least got the "no schedule" part very right.)
So, then - how do you suppose the Bums would have handled this passage? Given their "no schedule" attitude, coupled with their somewhat 'casual' attitude towards weather forecasting?

From their article in LATITUDES & ATTITUDES, May 2006:

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We spend exactly 5 minutes per week on weather forecasting, no more. I'm a finance major, I don't know what barometric pressure is.
Theirs is the example people contemplating a late fall passage to the Caribbean should be following, eh? YCMTSU...

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