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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

Absolutely one bad decision after another. All based upon poor judgement.

Using non marine calking was an inexcusable cut corner. Shows the willinness of the captain and the company to take unneeded risk.

As for the crew all agreeing to set sail with the captain? That i get. Though the report states the captain clearly gave them a choice, the peer pressure, loyalty and faith in the captain were all in play. it would have been very difficult for any of the crew, especially the less experienced members to opt out.

Interestingly other accidents point out the pressure to go. Among them a report of a Pan Am 727 that crashed will taking off from the airport at New Orleans. Though there was a severe thunderstorm at the airport planes continued to take off and land. Rather than delay the flight a few minutes to let the storm pass the Captain of this airliner hit the throttles and went for it. The plane crashed less than a minute later about a mile from the airport. Put on the ground by a micro burst. One of the side notes of that investigation was the pressure on the crew to go. other planes were going. Other pilots from their own airline were going. There was no way these pilots, using there better judgement, could tell their dispatchers they were gonna sit there until this thing passes. Pressure to go leads to bad judgement and a lot of lives lost or needlessly put in danger.

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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

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Sorry, I would blame a lot of it on the builder.

Ships and boats are supposed to utilize wind and water. Short of hitting shallow water or failing to depower the sails there is a limit to what manoevering a ship can do.

The ship obviously was designed for lakes and rivers regardless of what the builder claimed. Since it was not a racing vessel there is no good reason (except for price points) that a boat could not lie a hull in a hurricane.

If there was not a lot of inadequate design in the world today I'd have to have found another way to support my hobbies.
This ship was a movie prop...I find it hard to believe that someone would find fault with the builder...
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

Sorry, I would blame a lot of it on the builder. - mechsmith




You find me one ship builder in the world who will build and certify a wooden square rigger for use in a major atlantic hurricane off Hatteras with 30 foot waves and 100 mph wind. Doesn't exist. Might as well take the boat over Niagra Falls.
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

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I crewed on the "californian" a very very well maintained tall ship that was used in the movie AMISTAD bout 110 feet long or so.

this boat was impeccably maintained and had a very knowleadgeable captain and crew...they cruised the pacific and atlantic routes frequently.

so its not that all tall ships or replicas are sitting dock museums its again captain and crew responsabilty to maintain, upkeep modify and know the boats limitations.

for example If I as crew knowingly made a blind eye to using bathroom caulk on rotten wood(not seems) I would of simply quit my job before leaving that day.

simple

blame can be thrown all ways here..the point was in the end the captain made a wrong decision and the crew didnt either.

notice the article made mention of non experienced crew many times..?

this is key..as a captain on an old wooden replica can be quite endearing...bravado is common.

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Is this the same vessel that was at Mystic Sea Port for a while?
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

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This ship was a movie prop...I find it hard to believe that someone would find fault with the builder...
This whole "movie prop" thing is rearing its ugly head again. Although she was built for the "Mutiny on the Bounty" remake, she was built and designed to sail on her own bottom from Nova Scotia (site of construction) to Tahiti (the site of filming), which she did, apparently without incident. Even though the original plan was to burn her for the film as the real Bounty crew did to the original, that doesn't change the fact that she had to be constructed to withstand a major ocean voyage. This wasn't some slapdash, false front, movie facade POS, but a real tall ship. That she wasn't properly maintained over the years or was never certified to carry paying passengers are completely different issues.
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

The main engines, generators, pumps, and other gear, all apparently suffered from lack of repair and maintainance. This, along with lack of spare parts,and knowledge of systems, probably contributed to the final sinking. For lack of a nail...........!
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

The NTSB disagrees -

The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the sinking of tall ship Bounty was the captain’s reckless decision to sail the vesel into the path of Hurricane Sandy.


That is the official cause. They could have included the construction or condition of the ship in that - but they chose not to.
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The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the sinking of tall ship Bounty was the captainís reckless decision to sail the vesel into the path of Hurricane Sandy.


That is the official cause. They could have included the construction or condition of the ship in that - but they chose not to.
Not that I'm doubting the conclusion, but that doesn't mean their results aren't up for debate.
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

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It was reckless to leave the harbor under any conditions, it was taking on too much water sitting at the dock. It was certified as a "dockside attraction" and was no more sea worthy than the merry-go-round at the other end.
Bathroom caulk for goodness sakes.
As I have said many times previously I walked around that boat on multiple occasions while she was on the rails in Boothbay. IMHO it should have been deemed unfit....

Unfortunately nearly EVERY image of her grotesquely rotted frames and shoddy Band-Aid like re-fit have 100% vanished from the net. I had hot-linked many and they are now gone.... Go figure...

I would not have sailed around Boothbay Harbor on that boat for a "Three Hour Tour" let alone ventured into the Atlantic. Walbridge chose to head beyond Boothbay, in a vessel barely fit for Lake Winnipesaukee, and on top of that he nheaded directly into a hurricane.

I think the term "reckless" fits nicely....
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Re: Bounty captain Robin Walbridge's 'reckless decision' blamed for sinking

"...did nothing to dissuade....." is pretty interesting. They must have dug and found nothing, or why note them at all.

I wonder what the taxpayer paid to learn this was the Captains fault, even some of the shoddy repair work.
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