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The cost is justified by the fact we are a 1st world country with a 1st class military-SAR capability and we have decided to protect our citizens even if it is a little bit out of the way. The government budget DOES work way differently than you paying the babysitter. A naval ship or a SAR team is budgeted and expected to use X dollars in a year. It might go to training, real ops, or just end-of-year f-ng around.
We dig kids out of wells, rescue coal miners, get mountain climbers off mountains, get people out of caves, get people out of canyons, use million-dollar helicopters to get car crash victims to multi-million dollar trauma centers, have a world-spanning navy that rescues ship captains from pirates on the other side of the globe, we send assets 8,000 miles to look for misplaced Malayasion airplanes, and otherwise rescue drunks and fools.
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Re: Ocean baby rescue underway off Mexico

The Navy and the rescue team did what they are trained to do and they are rightly proud of a job well done.

The parents rightly called for help when needed.

The system worked as it is designed to do for the benefit of those in distress.

The only way to avoid this kind of situation is for everybody to stay at home! Which I suspect is what many of those that are critical do on a daily basis.
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We... have a world-spanning navy that rescues ship captains from pirates on the other side of the globe, we send assets 8,000 miles to look for misplaced Malayasion airplanes, and otherwise rescue drunks and fools.
....with a submarine that can't quite get to the seabed whilst the Chinese Navy and airforce has had quicker satellite photos, ships in the right places and actually heard pings...


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May be something to so with it being a lot closer to China and having mostly Chinese citizens aboard
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May be something to so with it being a lot closer to China and having mostly Chinese citizens aboard
I don't know, I thought it was pretty impressive how quickly those Chinese satellites picked up debris from the wreckage in the Gulf of Thailand, no?

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Re: Ocean baby rescue underway off Mexico

Mark, play a little fair! The global reach of the US and their technology is simply amazing by any reasonable measure. Of course, the Chinese are going to have a reconnaissance satellite in the area – it is in their strategic interest to watch the approaches to China. Our strategic concerns lay elsewhere on the planet. A critical question would be “where are the Australian assets?” Why don’t they have a surveillance satellite watching the approaches to Australia? The news reports have come out discounting the claims of the Chinese hydrophones. It was a British ship that had the most credible contact. But even that wasn’t good enough to geo locate and hence the call to the USN for an autonomous submersible to do the job. Sub can’t dive deeper than 15,000 feet? Maybe the Aus Navy could send out one of their Collins class subs to do the work instead?

Sadly, the budgeting rules of the US government is “spend it or lose it”. It would be much better if the budgeting process would reward cost savings instead of punishing it. Fear not, Sequester is alive and well and the DoD budgets have been steadily cut these past few years (I happen to work in this process). Operational budgets have been getting reduced significantly as line items such as pay, benefits and retirements are not covered under sequester. You might not realize that the Navy’s Blue Angels were grounded for most of last year due to lack of funding. The days of flying the squadron to Vegas are a thing of the past (and rightfully so IMHO).
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Re: Ocean baby rescue underway off Mexico

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Wow -- that is quite the spin. Darn, it is a good thing we have people needing rescue hundreds of miles out to sea just so that our military has something to do and a way to spend money.


(And of course, it is entirely legitimate to base your opinion on how the defense budget works from some antics told by a few Navy pilot friends. I'm sure you're right, the commander of the USS Vandegrift probably cruises around the Pacific unnecessarily just to waste fuel. Sounds like the qualities of a good leader, right there.)
Dude, he's not kidding. If you don't use it you lose it. I have personally chucked pallet loads of sonobuoys out the cargo door over open water just so our squadron wouldn't have its allocation reduced. Generally speaking, the military uses its full allocation in the course of its operations. If for some reason it doesn't, then yes, they will do extra training, extra flights, or even just find some way to piss it away.

I'm not saying that the only reason the military performed this rescue was to waste resources. Far from it. None of us know what there operational status was. I highly doubt they were just bored. However, once they got the call and those jumpers were in the water and on the boat, there is no way in hell they would have left those people until they were safe. Rescue swimmers live by their motto "so others may live".
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A critical question would be “where are the Australian assets?” Why don’t they have a surveillance satellite watching the approaches to Australia? The news reports have come out discounting the claims of the Chinese hydrophones. It was a British ship that had the most credible contact. But even that wasn’t good enough to geo locate and hence the call to the USN for an autonomous submersible to do the job. Sub can’t dive deeper than 15,000 feet? Maybe the Aus Navy could send out one of their Collins class subs to do the work instead?
All the signals that they believe came from the back box was detected by the Australian Defence Vessel "Ocean Shield". This vessel's purpose is humanitarian and disaster relief so it is ideally suited in deploying towed equipment and ROVs from its back deck. The vessel has been using US supplied equipment that was flown in which includes a TPL-25 towed pinger locator and the Bluefin-21 Autonomous Underwater Vehicle. Remember we are talking about a very remote location and there was only a 30-40 day window before the black box recorders ran out. The equipment had to deployed very quickly.

Any subs would need to be fitted with the right type of detection gear. The British sub HMS Echo had the right detection gear onboard and must of been close enough to be able to be deployed. The other pinger was flown in from the US and has been deployed from the Ocean Shield.

Australia has also been deploying Orion P3 aircraft on a daily basis, plus coordinating the overall search. The search has been an international effort with countries assisting in the Australia led search including Australia, China, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, South Korea, the United States and the United Kingdom.

Note that all the satellite searching has not helped. I think they have been very lucky to detect the black boxes signals, especially considering no floating wreckage has been identified.

I think Australia plus many other countries have been doing a great job.

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Re: Ocean baby rescue underway off Mexico

Rebel Heart sailboat rescue: Eric and Charlotte Kaufman are part of my community, and we?re good parents.
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My husband and I sailed for three-and-a-half years, over 12,000 miles, and through 10 countries before pulling into a foreign port and having a kid. We kept our adventures land-based for a while, not setting off on our daughter Maia’s first extended cruise until she was 3.
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We crossed the Pacific when she was 9, part of a Puddle Jump fleet that included more than a dozen “kid boats,” as we call them.
Well, that's sort of a different story than Rebel Heart.

By the way, those folks sound like they've done a standout job raising their little girl. Hats off to them.
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