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Lots of times - $hit happens, even to the best prepared. There's a big difference between accidents and the consequences of foolhardiness.
That's my point. But the bigger, and most critical difference is where one draws the "foolhardiness" line. The line that allows forgiveness for an "accident" versus scorn for an "inevitability".

For some, simply sailing at all is foolhardy. What if the wind dies and you can't make it back to shore?

Like I said, read the thread I linked above. I think most of these points were well-debated therein.

The great thing, though, is that the CG doesn't assess perceived "stupidity". They simply save lives. I don't mind paying for that.


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Did he pay the bill for his rescue or is the rest of America covering his "learning the hard way"?
He was picked up by a foreign registered freighter bound for Shanghai, which is where he was taken. No US dollars spent. You really might want to do a little research before you type something like that next time?

Back to the karma regarding the rescue of Bela Bartok, Ronnie types on his blog - "Dirk lives aboard the boat, so this is someone's home that we're talking about. Having lost a boat at sea, that I lived on, this is very personal for me to try to help reclaim Dirk's home."

I think he is now at least a +1 on karma with that being accomplished successfully http://singlehandedtranspac.com/updates/, not to mention his work with wounded warriors - Hope

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He was picked up by a foreign registered freighter bound for Shanghai, which is where he was taken. No US dollars spent. You really might want to do a little research before you type something like that next time?

Back to the karma regarding the rescue of Bela Bartok, Ronnie types on his blog - "Dirk lives aboard the boat, so this is someone's home that we're talking about. Having lost a boat at sea, that I lived on, this is very personal for me to try to help reclaim Dirk's home."

I think he is now at least a +1 on karma with that being accomplished successfully Updates | Singlehanded Transpac | 34 years of racing history!, not to mention his work with wounded warriors - Hope

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I stand corrected, he's an adventurous hero.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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I stand corrected, he's an adventurous hero.
Your words, not mine. Derk Wolmuth, who owned the boat that Ronnie and friends saved, might agree with the "adventurous hero" title.

The Coast Guard is on the job, and burning gas everyday. Whether they are rescuing a vessel in distress, or giving tickets out for some reason. The taxpayers are already paying, so why, when they are needed to actually save lives, and perform the duties of that job, why is that a problem? I just don't understand such posts as the one you made.

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The Coast Guard is on the job, and burning gas everyday. Whether they are rescuing a vessel in distress, or giving tickets out for some reason. The taxpayers are already paying, so why, when they are needed to actually save lives, and perform the duties of that job, why is that a problem? I just don't understand such posts as the one you made.
Personal responsibility vs. irresponsible foolhardiness.

I also think skiers who go out of bounds and have to be rescued should have to pay the full cost of their rescue.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Personal responsibility vs. irresponsible foolhardiness.

I also think skiers who go out of bounds and have to be rescued should have to pay the full cost of their rescue.
I was a professional ski patrolman for 12 years for NY State. You have no idea how many a-h skiiers I had to go out after AT NIGHT who would very likely have frozen to death because they were stupid enough to jump a rope late in the afternoon after a trail was closed and swept. People have jumped on ski lifts, going under ropes after they closed and have been found stiff in the morning. Irresponsibility abounds. When linked to pure ignorance of consequences, it can be a problem.
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People have jumped on ski lifts, going under ropes after they closed and have been found stiff in the morning.
I'm pretty sure Darwin has a saying for this.

Looks like Ronnie is surviving pretty well though. He just helped to save a guys home. I think that's awesome!
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I was a professional ski patrolman for 12 years for NY State. You have no idea how many a-h skiiers I had to go out after AT NIGHT who would very likely have frozen to death because they were stupid enough to jump a rope late in the afternoon after a trail was closed and swept. People have jumped on ski lifts, going under ropes after they closed and have been found stiff in the morning. Irresponsibility abounds. When linked to pure ignorance of consequences, it can be a problem.
Around here it takes teams, helicopters and everything - you can get fatally lost within sight of Vancouver. At Whistler it gets even more so - hundreds of miles of vertical wilderness in most directions.

They're virtually 100% young males as well.

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Around here it takes teams, helicopters and everything - you can get fatally lost within sight of Vancouver. At Whistler it gets even more so - hundreds of miles of vertical wilderness in most directions.

They're virtually 100% young males as well.
With us it was usually a call, initiated by a panicked relative, after sitting at the bar and having a couple of beers. Then it was back up on a cat with flashlights looking for tracks off into the woods. We had a couple of lifts at Gore that dead-ended so anyone in there after the lift operators were gone were screwed. (Once caught NYC judge--not all kids) Sometimes we'd tuck it back down from the summit in the dark. Now that was great fun!

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With us it was usually a call, initiated by a panicked relative, after sitting at the bar and having a couple of beers. Then it was back up on a cat with flashlights looking for tracks off into the woods. We had a couple of lifts at Gore that dead-ended so anyone in there after the lift operators were gone were screwed. (Once caught NYC judge--not all kids) Sometimes we'd tuck it back down from the summit in the dark. Now that was great fun!
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