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Show me the official report of where someone told him not to try it. Show me the official report detailing why he felt it nessassary to enter anyway.
Sadly, the actual truth here is that some good folks jumped without proper preparation and with inadequate tools to do what they were attempting to do, but it wasn't the boat pilot. It was the well meaning people that tried to help.
Take all the emotional BS out of the equation and look at who did what and who actually went out in conditions they were not prepared for.
And let those that have never done something stupid for good reasons throw the first stone!
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Don't try to explain to these folks how the mind of a combat medic or support person thinks. They don't get it. If you get back over there, and the gunner on top of the humvee is named Chuck, say hello to my son for me!
I was an unarmed medic myself attached to a MASH unit. My life expectancy was 47 minutes if deployed in a combat situation. Most will never understand what taking such a job means. That is why they do not understand my reaction to the same input!
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But comparing your situation in combat is not the same as a sailor who goes out to sea.

Its a little different putting your life on the line for a fallen mate shot to pieces on the front line than it is for someone that went out sailing and found himself beyond his abilities. Don't you think?

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Not in the least.
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Don't try to explain to these folks how the mind of a combat medic or support person thinks. They don't get it. If you get back over there, and the gunner on top of the humvee is named Chuck, say hello to my son for me!
I was an unarmed medic myself attached to a MASH unit. My life expectancy was 47 minutes if deployed in a combat situation. Most will never understand what taking such a job means. That is why they do not understand my reaction to the same input!
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Have said hi to many such men.Will look for Chuck when i get back.Wonders if the MEN here realy know what its like to have to get "small"...
Pours a morgan and coke cause the happy pills make him stupider than he normally is....
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But comparing your situation in combat is not the same as a sailor who goes out to sea.

Its a little different putting your life on the line for a fallen mate shot to pieces on the front line than it is for someone that went out sailing and found himself beyond his abilities. Don't you think?
I put my life one the line supporting the men.
Not for a fallen mate.I make sure they have what they need to get the job done.I see not difference between this young mans lack of ability and that of someone driving in a blizzard and wreacking there car...then dialing 911 because they screwed up.

Having said that i belive all of us are rescuing FOOLS.The ones that sit behind a desk or in a cave and can not learn to get along.Just my opinion.
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We've got an argument going here between people who know the sea as she is and those whom only know the sea as they want her to be. Ironically, the sea dispenses with both equally. The difference is that the former are generally wise enough to not tempt her. The latter never see the end coming yet somehow think they have a chance to win. If they live, they sometimes come to realize that there are no winners, just survivors.
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The water cares for you about as much as a bullet does the difference being that you can choose when to go to the water, you don't have a choice on when to go on a mission.

Any fool can buy a boat I know I sell them to quite a few (whitewater kayaks).

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The water cares for you about as much as a bullet does the difference being that you can choose when to go to the water, you don't have a choice on when to go on a mission.

Any fool can buy a boat I know I sell them to quite a few (whitewater kayaks).
I agree about the water not caring,
Disagree about a choice to go on a mission.I never meet anyone there that did not know where they were going when they sighned up.Maybe not for a specific mission but knew they were going to theater.We all volintered to go.
And you can choose not to go on a specific mission.Just qiut and deal with what that entails.Push the "MOMY" switch.
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I'm going to have to call BS on you in this thread... given that your first post was in August of this year, and said:


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I am completely new to sailing. I still have not been on the water. I bought an old aluminum boat this weekend to restore. I am gonna be asking a lot of questions! Thanks in advance for any help provided!
I really don't think you've got the experience to say jack about what kind of preparation is required for a trans-oceanic sailing voyage. Given that, at most, you've got two months of sailing experience, most likely on small inland lakes.

Anyone who compares being a combat medic in a war zone to being a merchant marine sailor that is being asked to save a RECREATIONAL BOATER TOO IGNORANT AND ILL-PREPARED TO BE OUT THERE is ludicrous at best.

The combat medic is rescuing a colleague, and one who supposedly has at least a bare minimum of training (boot camp) and the proper equipment (rifle, flak jacket, helmet, etc) for what they're doing. The wounded soldier is also REQUIRED TO BE THERE—IT IS HIS JOB.

This idiot was not required to be sailing across an ocean, much less doing so with his head up his backside. The merchant marine sailors who went to rescue him aren't being paid to do so, and aren't trained specifically to do so.

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