BFS Proponent Rescued at Sea - Page 9 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Out There > Vessels Lost, Missing, or in Danger
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree21Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #81  
Old 10-13-2008
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 100
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
runner is on a distinguished road
Show me the official report of where someone told him not to try it. Show me the official report detailing why he felt it nessassary to enter anyway.
Sadly, the actual truth here is that some good folks jumped without proper preparation and with inadequate tools to do what they were attempting to do, but it wasn't the boat pilot. It was the well meaning people that tried to help.
Take all the emotional BS out of the equation and look at who did what and who actually went out in conditions they were not prepared for.
And let those that have never done something stupid for good reasons throw the first stone!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #82  
Old 10-13-2008
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 100
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
runner is on a distinguished road
Don't try to explain to these folks how the mind of a combat medic or support person thinks. They don't get it. If you get back over there, and the gunner on top of the humvee is named Chuck, say hello to my son for me!
I was an unarmed medic myself attached to a MASH unit. My life expectancy was 47 minutes if deployed in a combat situation. Most will never understand what taking such a job means. That is why they do not understand my reaction to the same input!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #83  
Old 10-13-2008
sailortjk1's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Porter, IN
Posts: 4,647
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 10
sailortjk1 has a spectacular aura about sailortjk1 has a spectacular aura about
But comparing your situation in combat is not the same as a sailor who goes out to sea.

Its a little different putting your life on the line for a fallen mate shot to pieces on the front line than it is for someone that went out sailing and found himself beyond his abilities. Don't you think?
__________________
Courtney is My Hero

If a man is to be obsessed by something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, perhaps a bit better than most - E.B. White
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #84  
Old 10-13-2008
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 100
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
runner is on a distinguished road
Not in the least.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #85  
Old 10-13-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 516
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
travler37 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by runner View Post
Don't try to explain to these folks how the mind of a combat medic or support person thinks. They don't get it. If you get back over there, and the gunner on top of the humvee is named Chuck, say hello to my son for me!
I was an unarmed medic myself attached to a MASH unit. My life expectancy was 47 minutes if deployed in a combat situation. Most will never understand what taking such a job means. That is why they do not understand my reaction to the same input!
Smiles,
Have said hi to many such men.Will look for Chuck when i get back.Wonders if the MEN here realy know what its like to have to get "small"...
Pours a morgan and coke cause the happy pills make him stupider than he normally is....
Mark
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #86  
Old 10-13-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 516
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
travler37 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailortjk1 View Post
But comparing your situation in combat is not the same as a sailor who goes out to sea.

Its a little different putting your life on the line for a fallen mate shot to pieces on the front line than it is for someone that went out sailing and found himself beyond his abilities. Don't you think?
I put my life one the line supporting the men.
Not for a fallen mate.I make sure they have what they need to get the job done.I see not difference between this young mans lack of ability and that of someone driving in a blizzard and wreacking there car...then dialing 911 because they screwed up.

Having said that i belive all of us are rescuing FOOLS.The ones that sit behind a desk or in a cave and can not learn to get along.Just my opinion.
Mark
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #87  
Old 10-13-2008
Owner, Green Bay Packers
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SW Michigan
Posts: 10,318
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
sailaway21 is just really nice sailaway21 is just really nice sailaway21 is just really nice sailaway21 is just really nice
We've got an argument going here between people who know the sea as she is and those whom only know the sea as they want her to be. Ironically, the sea dispenses with both equally. The difference is that the former are generally wise enough to not tempt her. The latter never see the end coming yet somehow think they have a chance to win. If they live, they sometimes come to realize that there are no winners, just survivors.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #88  
Old 10-13-2008
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Currently Denver
Posts: 34
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
deepblueme is on a distinguished road
The water cares for you about as much as a bullet does the difference being that you can choose when to go to the water, you don't have a choice on when to go on a mission.

Any fool can buy a boat I know I sell them to quite a few (whitewater kayaks).
__________________
Eye kant spel or tipe.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #89  
Old 10-13-2008
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 516
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
travler37 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by deepblueme View Post
The water cares for you about as much as a bullet does the difference being that you can choose when to go to the water, you don't have a choice on when to go on a mission.

Any fool can buy a boat I know I sell them to quite a few (whitewater kayaks).
I agree about the water not caring,
Disagree about a choice to go on a mission.I never meet anyone there that did not know where they were going when they sighned up.Maybe not for a specific mission but knew they were going to theater.We all volintered to go.
And you can choose not to go on a specific mission.Just qiut and deal with what that entails.Push the "MOMY" switch.
Mark
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #90  
Old 10-13-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,291
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 13
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
Runner-

I'm going to have to call BS on you in this thread... given that your first post was in August of this year, and said:


Quote:
Originally Posted by runner View Post
I am completely new to sailing. I still have not been on the water. I bought an old aluminum boat this weekend to restore. I am gonna be asking a lot of questions! Thanks in advance for any help provided!
I really don't think you've got the experience to say jack about what kind of preparation is required for a trans-oceanic sailing voyage. Given that, at most, you've got two months of sailing experience, most likely on small inland lakes.

Anyone who compares being a combat medic in a war zone to being a merchant marine sailor that is being asked to save a RECREATIONAL BOATER TOO IGNORANT AND ILL-PREPARED TO BE OUT THERE is ludicrous at best.

The combat medic is rescuing a colleague, and one who supposedly has at least a bare minimum of training (boot camp) and the proper equipment (rifle, flak jacket, helmet, etc) for what they're doing. The wounded soldier is also REQUIRED TO BE THERE—IT IS HIS JOB.

This idiot was not required to be sailing across an ocean, much less doing so with his head up his backside. The merchant marine sailors who went to rescue him aren't being paid to do so, and aren't trained specifically to do so.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sea Snakes Ralph Doolin Seamanship Articles 0 01-21-2002 07:00 PM
Sea Snakes Ralph Doolin Cruising Articles 0 01-21-2002 07:00 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:05 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.