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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

Dude, it's a simple rule...

Never look back when you're driving...

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That boom missed whacking the MOB's head by about two feet. It's good he let go when he did -a split second later and his skull would have been shattered.

Note that there wasn't a single PFD on any of these guys. That dude is lucky to be alive.
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

I just replayed the video several times, stopping the action at different points, trying to figure out what happened, so I can learn from his mistakes. I'm not sure looking backwards was a factor. So he's doing wing and wing with an asym(?) and maybe gets a gust from port that sidewinds the asym and heels the boat way over. At that point it looked like he turned the wheel hard starboard trying to keep the wind at his back, but the boat refused to respond (possibly because heel pulled the rudder too far out of the water?)

Is that accurate, or do you guys see a different scenario?

So aside from having too much sail area up for the conditions (like virtually all racers), what else might he have done to prevent it? Would there have been some other maneuver he could have done? Should he have seen the wind change coming by reading the water?
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

I'm a newbie, but have been crewing on a J30 for a few years. It looks to me like they took a big puff from port side. Rather than steer to starboard - thus putting the new wind behind them - he steered to port (or at least held the wheel), which kept the wind coming from port and tipped the boat. Trying to keep the boat from rolling to starboard, he turned again to port - making the problem worse. i.e. He turned "into/against" the wind rather than with it (putting it aft).

If you watch in the background just as the lifering is thrown, there's another boat with a spinnaker looking kinda rough. Wind may have been gusty in general or suddenly taken a turn for the worse.

It's amazing that at the beginning, everyone on board is just kicking back, having a drink and enjoying the race. 5 seconds later and it's a near death experience!

And, yeah, the MOB missed death by about a foot.
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...Rather than steer to starboard - thus putting the new wind behind them - he steered to port (or at least held the wheel), which kept the wind coming from port and tipped the boat. Trying to keep the boat from rolling to starboard, he turned again to port - making the problem worse. i.e. He turned "into/against" the wind rather than with it (putting it aft)...
Well, looking at the slow motion part, it looks like he did steer to starboard at 0:49, though not enough in retrospect. Then at 1:00, as the boat heels severely, he moves all the way to the port gunwale to avoid being tossed, and unfortunately pulls the wheel to port with him. IMO at this point he's not thinking about steering, he's thinking about staying on the boat. But that movement of the wheel back to port is probably what caused the jibe, assuming he still had rudder control at that point.
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

I don't know what the polars are for that boat, but, might it have been faster (and SAFER) to head up to a deep reach rather than bomb DDW? If not then how about a preventer, and some life jackets... and teathers.

looks like they did a good MOB. One crew pointed, one crew threw life sling.
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

Came across this story of a bad day on a boat - complete with lessons learned. Good stuff.

Passagemaking: My first offshore sailing attempt, a near fatal tragedy, and lessons learned (part 1/3).
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

Good stuff indeed . . .thanks for that.
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

This one was tragic, yacht was never found, or even an oil slick...the sinking of beserk. I would post a pic or link but in sailnet's esteemed view, we newbies are not allowed such luxuries.
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Re: Beyond the "Edge"

regarding the gybe, I go back to the old saying, too much money, not enough sense.
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