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I can't remember ever seeing a keel stepped boat with its mast snapped off ...
Sorry mate, give it a discount to my English. I agree that it is not likely to happen, in fact I did never saw it either.

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Mark, guessing you mean illusion, facade is a better term. Anyway, HMS Bounty was hardly EITHER of those.
I meant illusion.
Hollywood uses illusions. The shop front in the photo is a facade, but the helicopter could be a quarter size model placed closer to the camera... "Trick photography".

I respect your research and yours is a good post.

But that ship would have been built to give the illusions needed for the film.... Deck space for the actors and the camera crews.
And the below decks didnt make money nor would ever be considered to be film able as the interiors would have been done on sets.

It may have been to many people eyes an ocean going ship but, it may seem strang, by Hollywood are a bunch of penny punchers, listen to the producer talking to the naval architect:
three masts!
But to hove to nicely in a storm, it needs....
Bull! I want three masts and there's no storm scene! And the forestry thingy needs to come back here so Brando can slide down it. Better reinforce it!

But we will never know quite how well it was constructed... The Captain obviously thought it was tough...

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Biography - Captain Robin Walbridge

According to Captain Robin Walbridge, Bounty has no boundaries. As her captain, he is well known for his ability and desire to take Bounty to places that no ship has gone before.
http://www.tallshipbounty.org/the-sh...nWalbridge.php


Some of the things he said may have been facade... Or illusion... Or worse, delusion.
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Mark, guessing you mean illusion, facade is a better term. Anyway, HMS Bounty was hardly EITHER of those. I have seen film shot by MGM during the building of the boat. I have not been able to locate it online, but did find this video on Turner Classic Movies site:
Tour-of-the-Bounty-1962-Original-Movie-Promo-.html
The video only covers her stops from Vancouver, Victoria, Seattle and San Francisco. In just those fours stops close to a half million people toured her. That doesn't bespeak a fragile movie prop.

You state "They put in sufficient for that job" but you offer absolutely nothing to back that up that opinion.

Here's a contrasting opinion, that of former Bounty owner Robert Hansen:

While Mr. Hansen understandably takes a modest amount of credit for Bounty's continued existence, he offers thanks to a special group of those who preceded him. "The only reason Bounty is here today is because those craftsmen (in 1960) built her to be an ocean-bearing vessel," he states emphatically.


It's just not fair to dismiss it as nothing more than a prop.
It was a movie prop, and now a prop at the bottom of the ocean. The ship was not built to sail, it was built to hold movie equipment and crew. And apparently recently the ballast was changed to even accomadate more passagers. The ship was not designed to the original Bounty specification in any way, the dimensions were much different.

Give me the specs of the "movie ship" Bounty;
1. Would she sail or motor on passages?
2. What were here storm tatics?
3. How close to the wind could she sail?
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I agree it almost doesn't matter how well it was built. The design specification was based on how it would look, not how it would float or sail.

Can we make it bigger to allow a camera dolly? "sure, OK"

THere was not a lot of calculation put in to righting moment and sail area or top speed, why would there be? And we do know that it was not built to the normal standard of the day for a ship of that type, the stringers were pretty far apart, etc. Whether or not it was 'strong enough' seems kinda irrelevant to me.
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Well, people learning to first sail aboard more sensibly sized boats might be a start...

Among the boats I delivered this year were a Gozzard 44, and a Cabo Rico 42, to new owners... In each case, they were the FIRST boat - of any size or kind - that either one had ever owned...

On the CR, I could hardly see around the plotter... (grin)
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Concussions suck.
Stay with having room to stand without injury.
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30 Cat is a good boat. Is it a tall rig?


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Do you really know that? I'm asking because I really would like to know. I read that it was built by a reputable ship building company.

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It was. But the company had not built a sailing ship for 80 years!

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Found this vid, it answers some of my questions:

From comments on video:
"Sailing the Bounty II from Maine to Puerto Rico. In this video we're furling the fore-course sail because it's ripped up at one of the seams. We didn't get to finish because the fore-topmast snapped above us while we were aloft. You can see it hanging in the last few seconds. "

"We did do a lot of "motor sailing" to save time but when there's enough wind the engines don't really help much. I think in this video we weren't using them, except maybe to run the generators."

"And sorry, I don't remember how fast we were going but this isn't a particularly fast boat. I think 6 knots was about average but given these conditions we might've been going faster"


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Found this vid, it answers some of my questions:....
Cool vid, but makes me laugh to think about people that say my cockpit is way too big to have the lines close enough on a blue water passage. I may keep this handy.

Also, seeing a modern inflatable on the deck, just seemed wrong. Whatever salty credit was due for climbing the rigging, was negated in my book.


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