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Could you provide examples of when he was "reckless on other occasions"?
Welcome aboard. I guess your screen name indicates your interest in this topic and you've made it clear that you intend to be defensive.

The other occasions are well documented in interviews with the crew and his wife and, I believe in his and/or the ship's blog, which have all been discussed and linked in this thread.


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............ seems like your're a new user and your username indicates perhaps you may be a little too close to this event emotionally.
This is a good observation and it would probably help this discussion if Bountydaughter would clarify her relationship/interest in the Bounty scenario.

Hopefully she's clear on the source of the letter referred to earlier.. it was not the work of any Sailnet member, but in fact an acquaintance of the skipper..

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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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............ seems like your're a new user and your username indicates perhaps you may be a little too close to this event emotionally.

This is a good observation and it would probably help this discussion if Bountydaughter would clarify her relationship/interest in the Bounty scenario.

Hopefully she's clear on the source of the letter referred to earlier.. it was not the work of any Sailnet member, but in fact an acquaintance of the skipper..
That may be correct and I also thought so.

This is a quick and easy way to possibly dismiss someones opinion which they have a right to and carries just as much validity as anyone elses. Why i understand the logic it can be flawed and to dismiss out of hand an opinoin because they had a close realtionship to the crew without investigating is dismissive. It means you cannot have an opinion which is relevant or correct which is not so. It was the primary reason I did not disclose my relationship to the Captain as many would just pooh pooh my opinions as because I was knew him.

Thats like saying we shoulkd dismiss Minniewaska opinions about an airplane crash because he is a pilot and knew the pilot and we know he will side with the pilot to the death and cant be objective. ( Sorry to use you as an example)

If the opinions are STRICTLY emotional and not centered in some kind of logic or reality, that is a good reason to question.
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And THEN he in fact steered that ship towards a hurricane...
According to the Weather Channel documentary and testimony from the crew, the Bounty headed SSE out of New London, CT. One of the crew (I think it was Doug Faunt) said that at one point they adjusted course to head SW toward the leeward side of the hurricane.

Josh Scornavacchi said when they all had been given the choice to stay ashore or sail into the hurricane, they all chose to go because they had faith in the captain and themselves and had been in storms far worse than Hurricane Sandy.

All three crew members who were interviewed in the documentary said the entire crew was aware of the intent by Walbridge to sail Bounty into a hurricane.
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According to the Weather Channel documentary and testimony from the crew, the Bounty headed SSE out of New London, CT. One of the crew (I think it was Doug Faunt) said that at one point they adjusted course to head SW toward the leeward side of the hurricane.
Of course, you have to sail SE to get out of Long Island Sound from New London. I don't recall seeing much, if any, SE progress long after they cleared Montauk.

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Josh Scornavacchi said when they all had been given the choice to stay ashore or sail into the hurricane, they all chose to go because they had faith in the captain and themselves and had been in storms far worse than Hurricane Sandy.

All three crew members who were interviewed in the documentary said the entire crew was aware of the intent by Walbridge to sail Bounty into a hurricane.
How could they possibly have been able to rationally process their faith in themselves? How many indicated that they had been in a hurricane before? How many had heavy weather experience on Bounty, let alone a Tall Ship, let alone any ship?

Faith in the Captain, for sure, but that's obvious from the fact they stayed aboard. The Captain had to have given them reason to believe this was an acceptable risk.


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I am sorry, Julie but none were given an option to stay on shore.
They were given an option to be SACKED IMMEDIATLY!

none were offered alternate transport to the next port. they were given one hour to be thrown out of their HOME.

With NO MONEY

NO TRANSPORT

NO PLACE TO SLEEP.


Now, if I arrive at your house tonight and offer to chuck you OUT with no money, no car and no place to stay what do you do?


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And making it known that you don't have loyalty to a captain of 17 years on that same ship.

Nor loyalty to the rest of the crew.

And you are a whimp who doesn't like waves.



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I am sorry, Julie but none were given an option to stay on shore.
They were given an option to be SACKED IMMEDIATLY!

none were offered alternate transport to the next port. they were given one hour to be thrown out of their HOME.

With NO MONEY

NO TRANSPORT

NO PLACE TO SLEEP.


Now, if I arrive at your house tonight and offer to chuck you OUT with no money, no car and no place to stay what do you do?


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Do you know for a fact they were never offered alternative transport?

How does volunteering as a crew on a boat make that one's "HOME"?

Say you've just taken your seat aboard a commercial flight about to depart from SFO, and the captain welcomes you aboard with an announcement of his stated attempt to fly under the Golden Gate Bridge before proceeding to Sydney... Are you gonna remain aboard that plane, simply because you're uncertain about where you might wind up having to SLEEP that night?
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Of course, you have to sail SE to get out of Long Island Sound from New London. I don't recall seeing much, if any, SE progress long after they cleared Montauk.

How could they possibly have been able to rationally process their faith in themselves? How many indicated that they had been in a hurricane before? How many had heavy weather experience on Bounty, let alone a Tall Ship, let alone any ship?

Faith in the Captain, for sure, but that's obvious from the fact they stayed aboard. The Captain had to have given them reason to believe this was an acceptable risk.
The WC documentary said something about being around 90 miles SSE of New London. Faunt said he wasn't sure who made the decision to change course but that they headed SW from that point.

In the ABC interview one of the crew said he had been in at least two other hurricanes with the Bounty. In the WC doc, Scornavacchi and Faunt both said they had sailed in heavy weather before Sandy. Scornavacchi, after having experienced Sandy, said that they had been in weather worse than Sandy before. So at least three of the crew members testified they had been in serious storms before leaving New London.

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I am sorry, Julie but none were given an option to stay on shore.
They were given an option to be SACKED IMMEDIATLY!

none were offered alternate transport to the next port. they were given one hour to be thrown out of their HOME.

With NO MONEY

NO TRANSPORT

NO PLACE TO SLEEP.

Now, if I arrive at your house tonight and offer to chuck you OUT with no money, no car and no place to stay what do you do?

Mark
Mark, I am only relaying what the crew said. In both the ABC interview and the WC doc, they made it sound like Walbridge was being very understanding if anyone chose not to go with him out of New London. But I agree with you, had they chosen to stay ashore they would have been left stranded and probably been immediately replaced, that is if there was anyone hanging around the dock at the moment ready to sail into a hurricane.
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And making it known that you don't have loyalty to a captain of 17 years on that same ship.

Nor loyalty to the rest of the crew.

And you are a whimp who doesn't like waves.



No. The peer preasure of bullying is right in this one.

"If you can't hack it you can go. NOW!"
Do you happen to have a cite for the evidence of such "pressure" applied by Walbridge prior to leaving New London?

As in, what he said precisely, to "make that known"?

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