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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I don't think we know what alternative offer was made to the crew, but the peer pressure argument is likely to stand, in my opinion.

At best, they were told they would keep their job, be put in a hotel, flown to FL and rejoin the crew. So, one would have to think what that would be like. To potentially rejoin a crew that just survived a hurricane and you didn't have the cajones to go along.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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How does volunteering as a crew on a boat make that one's "HOME"?
Some of the crew members said the Bounty was their home and the crew their family. I'm not saying that answers your question Jon, just pointing out the opinions of some of the crew who thus far have given interviews.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Just curious, when has there even been a 'worse' storm than Sandy? It had already killed 70 people before they left. And in terms of damages it's easily the worst Hurricane that's ever hit the US. I mean you can split some hairs and say a smaller area but cat 5 is 'worse' in some respects but I think overall that Sandy was a beast, and that was well known at the time.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I'ld like to know the names of those other hurricanes that they sailed in that were "far worse than Sandy". Even though I'm not sure if they made it beyound the tropical force winds of Sandy.
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I'ld like to know the names of those other hurricanes that they sailed in that were "far worse than Sandy". Even though I'm not sure if they made it beyound the tropical force winds of Sandy.
At the time they were picked up by the Coast Guard, the Coasties reported 30' seas and 50 knot winds. So maybe to the Bounty crew, this wasn't the worst they had ever seen. That would certainly be true if they had actually been in hurricane force winds before. What made Sandy the worst in terms of loss was the failure of both generators (one was said to be non-functional when they left New London) which led to the inability to pump out any water, the sinking and the loss of life.

But that's an interesting question about what hurricanes they had previously sailed in before. The survivors can all say they sailed in Hurricane Sandy but, according to the CG, they were not in hurricane force winds at the time of the sinking. So the crew's claim they had sailed in hurricanes before could have meant simply being out on the water during a hurricane and skirting the outer edges. Walbridge did say something to that effect when he described how he "sails into hurricanes."

In the Halloween Storm of 1991, data buoys recorded wave heights over 100' yet that storm was not as damaging as Sandy because much of it was out at sea. Hurricane Grace didn't make the left hook like Sandy did and Grace wasn't nearly as big as Sandy but, with two other storms, produced some extremely dangerous conditions at sea (100 MPH winds and 100' seas). I have not seen any reports stating Sandy equaled or approached those conditions.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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Do you know for a fact they were never offered alternative transport?

How does volunteering as a crew on a boat make that one's "HOME"?

Say you've just taken your seat aboard a commercial flight about to depart from SFO, and the captain welcomes you aboard with an announcement of his stated attempt to fly under the Golden Gate Bridge before proceeding to Sydney... Are you gonna remain aboard that plane, simply because you're uncertain about where you might wind up having to SLEEP that night?
I think it was a paid crew. Not properly professionals, most of them, but paid anyway.

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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

In Walbridge's comments about chasing hurricanes, he stated that he went for close to the eye of the storm and to the southeast quadrant. From what I understand, having listened to many reports from such storms, and experienced a good number (on shore), the highest winds are near the center, and winds generally lessen the further you get away from the center. Even seeking the southeast quadrant is not best...southwest quadrant is a better place, and heading for the eye is going to make the situation worse. And, given the eratic nature of hurricanes, any sudden change of movement direction, even a small one, by the hurricane could put you on the wrong side of the hurricane eye and into the deadly northeast quadrant. He also stated that you didn't want to be in front of the hurricane, but that's exactly where he was for Sandy.
That comment regarding being close to the eye is really puzzling to me.

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I think the simplest explanation is that Walbridge left so suddenly Thursday to prevent the crew from catching on to how scared everyone else was and balking- Sal Paradise
Highly doubtful, highly speculative, and really doesnt mean anything

By Thursday everyone south of there was already geared up and ready for thestorm where we were. The Weather Channel and news had been forecasting for days. Unless his people were ostriches,,,didnt have any cell phones, werent internet connected at all, and lived as hermits and didnt talk to ANYONE at the docks for a week before then you could possibly be right.

They al have said they were goven the choice by Walbridge and choose to go for whatever reason. We can add your speculation to the heap of others wild speculations
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In Walbridge's comments about chasing hurricanes, he stated that he went for close to the eye of the storm and to the southeast quadrant. From what I understand, having listened to many reports from such storms, and experienced a good number (on shore), the highest winds are near the center, and winds generally lessen the further you get away from the center. So while seeking the southeast quadrant seems appropriate, heading for the eye is going to make the situation worse. And, given the eratic nature of hurricanes, any sudden change of movement direction, even a small one, by the hurricane could put you on the wrong side of the hurricane eye and into the deadly northeast quadrant. He also stated that you didn't want to be in front of the hurricane, but that's exactly where he was for Sandy.
That comment regarding being close to the eye is really puzzling to me NC320.
so you take this boasting and bragging for TV and effect to be serious. He also said he sailed in 70 ft seas.....hmmm not likely
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I don't feel like flipping back in the thread. Didn't the engineer say, in his interview, he had not heard of the incoming hurricane until that briefing where he was offered the chance to disembark?

I may recall it incorrectly, but the fascination with being "back in time" would be correlated with being out of touch with mainstream information.

This winter, I expect to be out of touch for an entire week in the islands.
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