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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Paulo..interesting story.

Never have heard the discovery and exploration of the New World from that point of view.

I knew Portugal was a seafaring nation and had made great expeditions to India and then the Far East

What about the Spanish? I knew they were led mainly by the thier soldiers. Also they were attempting to conquer, spread religion, and find wealth.

And the English?

Why didnt Portugal continue. Its seems in the 1500 the were passed quickly by the Spanish and the English in terms of amount of expeditions, maritime trading companies and especially colonization.

Maybe this should be a new thread?
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.....Corse we dont know if he was ordered by his owner so until that has been determined that is not a fact, but a strong assumption.....
Are you saying you have a strong assumption that he was ordered by Bounty's owner to make this voyage?


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Are you saying you have a strong assumption that he was ordered by Bounty's owner to make this voyage?
Nope

Sparle said in his post that
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Corse we dont know if he was ordered by his owner so until that has been determined that is not a fact, but a strong assumption
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So Sparkels strong assumption was there was no reason to leave, which may be right if the owner didnt order Robin Walbridge to cast off the dock. We dont really know that yet right?

Wouldnt that put a real twist in this is if that happened?


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...So Sparkels strong assumption was there was no reason to leave, which may be right if the owner didnt order Robin Walbridge to cast off the dock. We dont really know that yet right?
That makes more sense. Boy, was I locked and loaded to take on the assumption he was ordered to leave. I wish you had.......

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Not much. This was a licensed Captain with passengers. Changes nothing, other than getting the owner sued.


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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Semantics...argh

I dont want to assume
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.....I dont want to assume the owner forced him to leave either.

I dont want to assume anything here as it is so inexplicable to any of us why he left. I want to wait for the facts. I want someone to ask the owner...under oath...what he said to Walbridge,

You know the Bounty was up for sale...had been for a while. She was also due at some point for a festival in St Petersberg, Florida/ Lets see what the owner says...under oath.


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Are they passangers...or are they paid crew.

And it does change things if he was ordered to depart. I am not saying it allieves him of any responsibility...it changes things mightily.

Minnie are you an ALPA member?


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The owner can testify that he cast a spell on the Capt and I don't see why it matters. It's like waiting to see what he had for breakfast.

How is it relevant to any possible conclusion, beyond the owner being subject to liability?


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So Sparkels strong assumption was there was no reason to leave, which may be right if the owner didnt order Robin Walbridge to cast off the dock. We dont really know that yet right?

Wouldnt that put a real twist in this is if that happened?
It was not the owner that said the Bounty would be safer facing an Hurricane at sea than in port, but the Captain himself.

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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I really dont like the idea of speculating as thats what I spoke against.

I will present a scenario- Disclaimer:Everyone this is not real...I am not saying it happened as I dont knokw if it did so dont go War of the Worlds on me and start using it as fact.

The owner calls up Robin and say to him. get the Bounty out of there. There is a storm coming up the coast it may hit New London. I dont want it destroyed at the dock. Wallbridge says to him, I dont want to go. Owner says to Walbridge you go or Ill fire you and get someone to move the Bounty like I did before in Florida and I will make sure you never find work again in the Tall Ship Community. We are a small community and I can make that happen

Thats tough pressure.

I dont want to go to far with this speculation of statement here as it gets to be too much

I am sure you would expect Walbridge to stand up to him. I would, but he has no protection and thinks he will be able to save the ship, He cant tell others he is being forced to go as he will be blacklisted, but he gives them an out by telling them they dont have to sail if they dont want to. Something he under normal circumstances would do in a command situation as he knows its risky.

Maybe was too much for him to bear as the Bounty was his baby for 17 years the thought of someone else moving her away from the dock getting her wrecked.
Maybe to much for him to think about losing his job at his age and getting blacklisted
Maybe he thought if anyone could save her ....he could

You know whats odd here...we have heard no one from the Bountys owner tell us, we told him not go, we questioned his decision about leaving. Maybe its because they didnt and cant claim that, You would think if they were trying to move themself away from liability here they would have issued at least that statement already. The fact that they havent may be because that statement would be a lie. The in fact pressured him to leave.

All this is mass speculation in my pea brain the other way just as I accused others of doing. hey I can do it too I just dont like saying it, I really dont want to do that. I did this on your asking Minnie and dont want to speculate.

I want to just wait until we have the facts...The inquirey...people under oath..


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