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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Massive cultural problem across the entirety of the Bounty organization. The CEO sets cultural tone. Even if the shareholders put him up to it, he/she sets it. Structurally, the CEO is the Captain, who all aboard reported to, not the owner.

So, let's keep hearing what was wrong, but same conclusion.

I am interested in a conclusion on what to do about it. Perhaps nothing, as there are bad apples in every bunch and I'm not interested in rules to prevent every exception. However, as I've said before, it wouldn't bother me to see severe restrictions in the mobility of these vessels with anything other than a highly qualified crew, no passengers, no fake paid crew.
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It went down intact it almnost appears. Thats an interesting question.

What would they restore it to though it was in bad shape and shouldnt have been sailing in the first place. She had been up for sale for a while with no buyers and was financially backrupt essentially and couldnt make enough even as a dockside attraction. These are so expensive to maintain. As Paulo has pointed out the succceessful tall ships are kept afloat by countries governments or really well endowed foundations.
The Pride of Baltimore (Original Pride) would be a ship to raise if you want to raise a sunken ship.


She is still down there and was in excellent condition when she sank. She is a true copy of an original Baltimore Clipper (unlike the "Movie Bounty" which should have been burned at the end of the film, as was the original plan). The Pride is north of Purto Rico in very deep water that should preserve her well. But then again, like the Titanic, she should probably stay where she lies, as she is a tomb to those that went down with her.
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I am interested in a conclusion on what to do about it. Perhaps nothing, as there are bad apples in every bunch and I'm not interested in rules to prevent every exception. However, as I've said before, it wouldn't bother me to see severe restrictions in the mobility of these vessels with anything other than a highly qualified crew, no passengers, no fake paid crew.
I think the USCH has alowed too many boats to rip off their 12 passenger/non inspection certification. Forgotten the actual name for it but was desingned for recreational fishing boats... ya know, the sports fishing type boat shown below. That rule seems to have been extended up to 300 tons!
I know the SuperYachts here are under those rules.
Under those rule the USCG can inspect but CANNOT do anything but offer advice! Cant stop them going to sea etc.



The Bounty does not look like the boat below!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Maybe I missed it in all the post. This is what the Capt stated he was trying to do:

“We run into stormy seas. We chase hurricanes,” Walbridge said. “You try and get up as close to the eye of it as you can and you stay down in the southeast quadrant and when it stops, you stop. You don’t want to get in front of it. You want to stay behind it. But you also get a good ride out of the hurricane.”

Many posts ago I think it was decided Walbridge was either mis quouted or twisted his words around, either way the thought was he meant the southwest quadrant where there would be following winds and seas.

Was this ever brought up in the current hearings?
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.. However, as I've said before, it wouldn't bother me to see severe restrictions in the mobility of these vessels with anything other than a highly qualified crew, no passengers, no fake paid crew.
No problem if they take passengers or if the train young boys and girls providing they have a permanent professional crew able to take care of the ship in all conditions. That is how it is made here and there is a long waiting line to have a go on those ships. My 11 years old niece is already enrolled on the Navy tall ship "Sagres" for a voyage. We think her turn will come in about 5 years

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Maybe I missed it in all the post. This is what the Capt stated he was trying to do:

“We run into stormy seas. We chase hurricanes,” Walbridge said. “You try and get up as close to the eye of it as you can and you stay down in the southeast quadrant and when it stops, you stop. You don’t want to get in front of it. You want to stay behind it. But you also get a good ride out of the hurricane.”

Many posts ago I think it was decided Walbridge was either mis quouted or twisted his words around, either way the thought was he meant the southwest quadrant where there would be following winds and seas.

Was this ever brought up in the current hearings?
Yes...go back a few posts to where I was reporting what I saw from the people testifying. The 3rd mate kind of debunked it and talked about following two storms after they passed by in the SW area, much like oceanic racers do and followed it at a safe distance as it moved away from them. In one instance they hove to for two days as their forward speed ws 11 knotss and the storm slowed to 4 knotts and they started catching it. Third mate stated tha the captain was not talkimng about catching hrricanes and ridng them for fun, but was talking about when they found themselves behind one what they would do.
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Wonder how this will affect the Windjammer cruises and the ones my daughter did her Outward Bound on 15 years ago. Maine has a few classroom vessels like that. Thats how I originally met Walbridge.

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We run into stormy seas. We chase hurricanes,” Walbridge said.

His interview was videotaped. He was boasting how he liked to sail into hurricanes!
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Yes he said that and the third mate explained in his testimony what he meant by it as he was with him the two times he did it in 2008, He also said he never headed for an oncomming huirricane until Sandy.

Many of the ocean racers like to follow the backside of the low pressure systems following them as part of their stratagies.
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Yes...go back a few posts to where I was reporting what I saw from the people testifying. The 3rd mate kind of debunked it and talked about following two storms after they passed by in the SW area, much like oceanic racers do and followed it at a safe distance as it moved away from them. In one instance they hove to for two days as their forward speed ws 11 knotss and the storm slowed to 4 knotts and they started catching it. Third mate stated tha the captain was not talkimng about catching hrricanes and ridng them for fun, but was talking about when they found themselves behind one what they would do.
So the position to be in is the southwest side. So why did captain say the southeast side? Was this addressed in the hearings? I think it is important. Was captain having mental issues that did not allow him to think clearly or to act clearly in an emergency situation? Seems there were many mistakes made by the captain. Was there a developing medical problem or was this the normal actions of the captain?
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