What I'm finding very interesting is how the testimony is so closely corroborating the consensus of information that was being posted shortly after the event. For sure, there was some exaggeration, but it didn't seem that hard to identify. The basic overall picture of what happened and why was remarkably correct, given the unofficial nature of the internet. It's like Wikipedia's model, where it was once thought you need an official building full of fact checkers to publish an encyclopedia. This forums analysis of events seems to prove their point. Not 100% accurate, but pretty darn close. Perhaps as close as anything official ever actually gets.
Funny I dont see it quite that way completely
Even a blindfolded person will hit a piniada or a dartboard, especially of you stand them in front of it and point them in the correct direction
Maybe we should bring all the future plane crashes to the internet and let the posters tell us why it happend through their speculations
While some of the basic premises were talked about. They were speculative.
Many rushed to judgement immediately/ The fact later they were proven correct on some of their assumptions doesnt mean rushing to judgement is a prudent way to proceed on things. There has to be some kind of balance between opinions and those opinions proven to be facts.
As the thread continued and the true facts
came out gradually many of the initial opinions and statements modified/ moderated some and some were even disproved. This is a normal and natural progression I have found and to be expected. Those who were castigated by others not to rush to judgement were proven correct also. Its great so many people of so many differing ways of approaching issues have posted as it gives a better overall product.
To me it reflects this imperfect anaolgy. We have a dinner at 5 PM for our club in a marina restaurant 20 miles away. Both PB and sailboaters attending.
The PB group plot their course...a straight run of 1.5 hours and leave at 1PM.
They fly over and they get there for dinner at 5 having been in their slips in the marina since 4 PM and have had happy hour. Saw very little of the bay, the wind, the conditons, but they got to the destinations
The SB group look at the wind direction and realize they must tack as it dead upwind and leave at 10 PM. They slowly tack their way experiences the sun, wind, waves, birds, have lunch enoy and experience the nature of the whole sailing experience of the trip. They get there at 3. Anchor out raft and have Happy hour and get to dinner at 5.
They both got to dinner at 5. While at the table the SB is talking to the PB and says did you see the Eagles, the crab pots, the winds, the beauty of the sun on the water, the tranquility of the sail over. The PB said nope, but we got here just the same. And yes they did, they both got there.
While we all got to many of the same conclusions at the end, some took a longer direction. If the prize is just the conclusion, well both won and acheived it. One gets there with more experiences and the other just gets there and gets to learn as many of the experiences as the others care to share with them. Both remain happy.
So Minnie is thats your point, I am glad that you are happy that you have been proven correct and you got there right away. I too am happy. Happy that my mind was open to learning that its been journey and that I hopefully didnt prejudge everything ( thats almost impossible), and that I learned along the way.
This thread has been very informative to me, in spite of the various heated opinions/ accusations etc. I have posted more on this thread than others by many times and sometimes have felt I was in a monority. My plodding way of approaching this and mistrust of what I may see initially until I look it through thoroughly reflects the way I deal with issues when I have the time avalable. I have no trouble maing instantaneous opinions or decisions when that is needed.
I have learned more about TS than I ever knew.
More about CG liscences than I ever knew,
More about the people who sail these vessels from the well financed ones to the shoestring budget ones than I ever knew.
More about the mentality and love of the people on these vessels than I ever knew.
I have watched the testimony and find very little said before in this thread about the boatbuilder and true conditions of the Bounty infrastructure except from Mainesail. For that I am glad to hear that testimoiny
I have watched the testimony and been shocked by the absolute lack of sailing experience of the people on this vessel and wonder how pervaisive that is.
I also have been shocked by the lack of experience on technical equipment of the vessel such as pumps, engines and even caulking and maintainence. People in the thread alluded to it, but to the degree the testimony brought it out is staggering to me
I only hope that this will bring enough noteriety and perhaps liscening to this part of the industry, but do not know how that can be accomplshed. I wished people had spoken out about this vessels condition to the CG ahead of time. The Captain...he did the wrong thing. He had a very suspect vessel and left in the face of this storm and then made compounding decisions which sealed her fate. He ruined his reputataion and caused his and Fletchers death and will be held responsible. Someon needs to look at these old wooden vessels more carefully.