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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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I do not want to the Chesapeake Lion troll to use your pose to attack me.
Not bad, a Lion troll.

Who is attacking who? and about what?:

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people who rush to judgement scare me big time...maybe that means on their boats they will rush to judgement and not get all the facts to make a proper decision therefore endangering others.
Interesting. My job description actually says I need the skills to make decisions and take actions without knowing all the facts.

Sometimes you don't have and no matter how much time passes, you will never have all the facts. But you still need to make a decision, as no decision can be worse than making the wrong (ie. not perfect) decision.

A lot of times this is the case on your boat, time is of the essence.

People who need all the facts before making a decision scare me, especially on a boat, where by the time that get all the facts the boat has sunk, struck a reef, or people are dead.
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The height of waves is largely determined by fetch. Their shape is determined by currents, depth and bottom topology. This storm was so wide that there was a huge area of maximum wind over a long stretch of water. Watching the NOAA wave height charts as it approached shore, there were 42' waves on the dangerous side of the circulation! While it was crossing the Gulf Stream off the Outer Banks, a NE wind opposing the Stream likely made some monstrous breaking waves.
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Of course . A lot of time we need to make instantaneous decisons on our boats I agree however this thread wasnt about that. I also understand your comment about people who need all the facts all the time. That can be equally indecisive and poor judgement.

Is that the case here, what harm in waiting for the all or most of the facts to come to light. Do you think two days is enough time for you to understand the WHOLE situation. Will someone be in danger if we wait a week or two to hear what the survivors say? The company he worked fors statement? The CG ivestigation?

Is this one of those times an instantaneous decision is required? Again the sign of maturity and experience and judgement. To be able to tell the difference when a decision must me made immediately with the information you presently know or wait a while until more information is available to make a more responsible jedgement.

Understand I am in agreement with most of you that he PROBABLY is responsibile in some way or percentage

In this case of the Bounty and the Captains role in it, why does this have to be decided immediately until all or even most of the facts are ascertained? Common even the most strident of you dont have much to go on. You dont have any first hand peoples statements, you dont have first hand knowledge, you dont have the CG report, you dont know the comnditions really first hand...just what charts tell you, you have a U tube statement you keep harping on and you dont have all the information that the captain knew and when he knew it, You also dont have the reason for the boat sinking. Thats a lot of stuff there. Yet you already want to foist the blame on him publically. What will imminently happen if we wait a little.

Why o why the rush to judgement
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Interesting. My job description actually says I need the skills to make decisions and take actions without knowing all the facts.
Mine too. Plus able to walk in water, but prefer to fly over water.
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Who is attaching who? and about what?:-Paulo
Paulo,

The person I addressed it too knows the answer but he wont come out in the open and say it. I beleive it was directed at me. Some sign of disrespect .

Actually I am proud to be a Chesapeake Lion. Its a great place to keep a boat and where I live and sail most of the time. In additon I sail to Ne and the LI Sound and have some bluewater time in. There are a number of us who have looked into getting a Chesapeake Lion flag after some of us were called that before. Now being deemed a troll....thats a horse/ boat of a different colour.

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While some don't want to hear speculation, I submit this in the spirit of demonstrating this isn't a witch hunt, but rather an attempt to understand. My suspicion is that Robin was a good Captain that survived many difficulties at sea and each one emboldened the thought that risk was more manageable. That would, in fact, be a good lesson for others to learn, IF it proves to be the case.
Interesting way of articulating it, Minne, the more so as this was a storm of unprecedented characteristics. Nicely done.
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Is that the case here, what harm in waiting for the all or most of the facts to come to light. Do you think two days is enough time for you to understand the WHOLE situation.

In this case of the Bounty and the Captains role in it, why does this have to be decided immediately until all or even most of the facts are ascertained? What will imminently happen if we wait a little.

Why o why the rush to judgement
The fact is that he sailed into a hurricane, not just any hurricane, but one of the largest on record. And historically, October is the month when most of the monster hurricanes are generated.

Why not wait till all the facts come in? The major fact is in: the ship sailed into a hurricane.

Why not wait longer for more facts? The sailnet posse needs to be ready to move on to the next disaster.

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Interesting article. The author beautifully romanticizes life at the sea and tells a story that tugs at your heart strings. This is what draws us to the sea. And we become one with her.

Maybe this is both a celebration of one life and the mourning of the loss of another. It seems the captain lived life the way he wanted and his death could be seen as a celebration of that life. But what of the life of the crew lost? Only those who knew her can answer that.
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