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I'm also finding most of the defense of the Capt to be more personal than rational-Minnewaska
Havent seen anyone defend the Captain including me. That seems to be the misconception about what those who think hes already guilty and those who think there are other factors invilved also and want to know why a sane mane who had realatively good credentials would do it.
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Does anyone know of any other captains who set sail toward hurricane Sandy at the approximate time Captain Walbridge did?-
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At least 25 vessels of the US Navy from Norfolk

I know why and I know they didnt go out in wooden sailing vessels either so dont go in that direction. Just answering her question.


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Does anyone know of any other captains who set sail toward hurricane Sandy at the approximate time Captain Walbridge did?
That would be an interesting answer. If none, that says something. If any, I'll bet Bounty was the only "period correct" hull design from the 18th century.


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sex being a close second- smurphy


I have seen captains run vessels aground for sex....but sailing to hurricane? Come to think of it the crews in acient days sailed their ships on the rocks for the Sirens


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That would be an interesting answer. If none, that says something. If any, I'll bet Bounty was the only "period correct" hull design from the 18th century.
Well, we know Captain Moreland of the Picton Castle stayed in port. Was there a tall ships gathering in Nova Scotia that was headed to FL? I think I read Bounty was there before making port in New London. Maybe there were other tall ships in the area.

I'm kind of expecting stricter examinations of the tall ships coming from this tragedy, from number of crew and their experience to the ability of the ship and crew to handle any situations that may arise.

I was on the Picton Castle website and it says they have 12 full time crew and berths for up to 40 guests. With over 12,000 square feet of sail, I can see a lot of logic in having a crew of 52 aboard. It was interesting to note they do not allow couples on the boat. The logic stated is that couples would put their partner before the ship. I guess you have to love the ship more than anything. I saw a picture of a woman (it might have been Claudene Christian) kissing the bow of the Bounty. Is that love or what?
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I have seen captains run vessels aground for sex....but sailing to hurricane? Come to think of it the crews in acient days sailed their ships on the rocks for the Sirens
Certainly. The bright one like Ulysses or Odysseus just tied themselves to the mast to resist their calling the stupid ones sunk.

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I'm kind of expecting stricter examinations of the tall ships coming from this tragedy, from number of crew and their experience to the ability of the ship and crew to handle any situations that may arise.

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That is one of the problems. They can't.

I think Picton Castle is in another class (sail training vessels) while the Bounty and many others are in a special class created to make the live easy to these boats. In fact they are in a similar class to charter boats with six passengers but exceptionally extended to 12 passengers. These are boats that are excepted from serious structural inspections. They only see if the papers are in order, if the boat has the the security items regarding safety and so on.

.. The ship's last reported deficiency came in May 2011, when an inspector noted that the ship had some old nautical maps and faulty documentation after "substantial" tonnage alternations. Those problems were reported to have been corrected as of September.

Of course they did not inspect those tonnage alterations but only the papers regarding them. They can't, the Bounty is classified under the subchapter C uninspected 12 passenger vessel.

A member of this forum, an Ex Coat Guard said in what regards the class of uninspected vessels:

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Back when I was in the Coast Guard learning to be a marine inspector long ago, the saying I heard about uninspected vessels (referring to the rule that more than six paying passengers required a Certificate of Inspection):

"You can drown six---you can't drown seven"

I suppose you could change this to 12 and 13 as the circumstances may warrant.


I await the Board of Investigation with interest. In my experience the Coast Guard is not unwilling to criticize themselves when warranted ...
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Good example of a moot point. The helicopter rescue was successful. Everyone on the life rafts was rescued. It's possible the outcome would have been the same in other conditions.
You've gotta be kidding. The coast guard rescure swimmers said somthing to the effect that was the hardest rescue they had ever done. ie: Bounty was putting CG in extreme danger when Bounty called for a extraction.

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I had posted this before, but all that think it would be ok to sail where a hurricane is lurking please provide an answer:

The things that don't make sense to me is the Capt states in the video he likes to chase hurricanes. But then he states the ship normally sails when at sea at 4-5 knots, and the ship can only go sideways to the wind or downwind. Does not sound like the ship could hove to. The Capt also states the diesel auxillaries are underpowered for the ship and are only used when coming into port.

So this Capt wants to chase hurricanes in a ship that is limited to sailing only 90 degrees off the wind (and with lee way probably more like 100 degrees or more), and the ships diesels were not strong enough to power it in any kind of stong wind or high sea condition.

How can the Capt stay in his perferred SW quadarant?

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I thought this was interesting (Blog from LA article). Definitely a case where life is stranger than fiction:

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Bonnie Ember at 3:19 PM November 03, 2012
I am a Lover of Tall Ships, & the Shipwreck of the HMS Bounty ii & crew member & Capt., is a story that did not have to end in Davy Jones Locker.

Now, for the Paranormal.

Claudene Christian, asked the Captain if he was sure that he wanted her onboard, being a desendent of Fletcher Christian, the Leader of the Mutiny & the Captain who scuttled the ship.

Before she sailed out into the Tail of the Hurricane, she called her parents & told them that she loved them incase something happened.

There were 16 crew onbaord the HMS Bounty ii. (Many crew members decided not to go, or it was a small crew.)

14 survived.

The HMS Pandoro, was sent to Tahiti, to capture the Mutineers. They found 16 Mutineers & captured them.

2 Died, before they left the island.

The Pandora, sank in a Hurricane.

The HMS Bounty II, carrying a descendent of the original ship, sinks & kills her & the Captain.

I am a fan of Christian Fletcher, but could this ship be a Ghost Ship, & could this shipwreck be

Bligh's revenge?

"The Floggings will continue, until Morale improves." Capt. Bligh

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i found it most interesting and easy to follow on bounty's ownpages, website and fb--everything was told and retold to the readers--th folks who need to re - scenario everything would have known what really happened in the first page here--i believe i posted the info an where to find it.....
god rest the dead.
also some info that would have been known was the schedule to which bounty was sailing-- they were to have been in st petes for some freak of a ceremony involving the muni pier and bounty---but, no, you guys didnt bother to read these pages, so even now, instead of saying rip souls and boat, which also had a soul, folks are still rehashing all that which was spelled out in bountys own pages... is actually a sad situation.
folks died and only things can be said are denegrations and fake scenarios of the events leading to the tragedy.
and you guys are not the only ones doing same.
i am not supporting the stuff done--IS OVER--THEY DIED--RIP-- i am merely lost in wonderment about the nature of humanity



and--the weird stuff---(thee to outer limits playing in background)--direct descendant of fletcher christian, an the 20 yr master of the well made replica bounty, and ship , all go gone in same day--
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