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That's very sweet of the crew to speak so highly of the captain.

Will they be chipping in to pay the multimillion dollar wrongful death jury award?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

"A SHIP IS SAFER AT SEA THEN IN PORT" You gotta be kidding!...A northeaster is coming up the coast in a day or so lets all put out to sea!

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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I didn't expect morning TV interviews of the crew to be very enlighting about why the sinking happened and how to prevent it, and indeed they weren't. The video was, though.

I will wait for the Coast Guard Marine Board to see what they have to say when asked about the decision-making (to the extent they know without Capt Walbridge) and where the water ingress was from, among other things. The chief mate may/should know almost everything the captain did.

I've been a member of such Boards, and represented mariners in them. They usually get to the bottom of things.

That said, I understand the feelings several of them expressed about coming through it--I've heard it from other survivors who didn't expect to survive, they see the rest of their lives as a gift. It can change you.
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That's very sweet of the crew to speak so highly of the captain.

Will they be chipping in to pay the multimillion dollar wrongful death jury award?
Sounds like someone would like to go for HMS Bounty organization:
Hold HMS Bounty Accountable | A site dedicated to the accountability of HMS Bounty owners to the crew of HMS Bounty

If the organization (or boat owner) is telling a Capt to get the boat out of port as a storm is coming, could the owner be held fully or partially accountable, or as Capt are you accountable for all ship movements?
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Sounds like someone would like to go for HMS Bounty organization:
Hold HMS Bounty Accountable | A site dedicated to the accountability of HMS Bounty owners to the crew of HMS Bounty

If the organization (or boat owner) is telling a Capt to get the boat out of port as a storm is coming, could the owner be held fully or partially accountable, or as Capt are you accountable for all ship movements?

I don't think so. The owner had no obligation to know the risks the boat and the crew will sustain or if the boat will be safe on doing the passage.

It is the Captain that has to decide what is safe or not even at the cost of his job.

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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Just read this quote from "Steamer" on the GCaptain site:

http://gcaptain.com/forum/profession...-sandy-20.html

"This Bounty thing has really stirred up a lot of people all across the board and reading the posts on various forums is enlightening and sometimes amusing but some of the stuff from the recreational crowd sends a chill up your spine. A good result though is that gCaptain is getting some mention as a source of professional insights and comment. Heaven only knows how many of their readers faint away like 19th century school girls when they come across the pointy stick style of seafaring criticism. They don't seem to appreciate facts that are much blunter than a plastic sailboat's bow.

There was a good discussion going on in a "trawler" site (which included a link to gCaptain) where one of the members was being praised for the high quality of his seamanship after putting his family aboard a little plastic "trawler" boat and setting anchor in shallow water someplace on Long Island. He believed that if anything happened the water wasn't deep enough to completely cover the boat and if the anchor dragged and they went ashore they could just walk off. A few people condemned his actions but they were shouted down by the huge majority who went so far as to echo the exact words we have been reading about the late Mr. Walbridge - that the guy was a hero and made the right decision - and for protecting his "crew"/family. Tthe fact that he survived is proof to them that he is a superior seaman. The fact that the guy admits to just hanging on for dear life and did nothing other than be a passenger while the storm raged doesn't seem to enter into it.

If nothing else this whole Bounty affair is showing us that there really is a gulf between the recreational (including the TSC) hobbyist and the professional mariner. These guys are really really scary, a lot scarier than I ever believed they were. I think this storm has opened a few eyes but unfortunately it seems to have driven some of the survivors into a deeper defensive position, from fear or just embarrassment I don't know."



Agree 100%, we yachties have some work to do if we want to gain the respect of the professionals.

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Sounds like someone would like to go for HMS Bounty organization:
Hold HMS Bounty Accountable | A site dedicated to the accountability of HMS Bounty owners to the crew of HMS Bounty

If the organization (or boat owner) is telling a Capt to get the boat out of port as a storm is coming, could the owner be held fully or partially accountable, or as Capt are you accountable for all ship movements?

From the aforesaid website:

"The goal of the site is to collect the facts about this senseless tragedy and present them for the world to view in hopes that similar tragedies, loss of life and property can be avoided. We seek the truth and aim to publish the truth in this case without bias.

If you have information that would aid in holding the ship owner’s accountable for the losses, we encourage you to contact us ASAP."


One might suggest the words "without bias" in the first para. are undercut by all the words of the second paragraph??
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From the aforesaid website:

"The goal of the site is to collect the facts about this senseless tragedy and present them for the world to view in hopes that similar tragedies, loss of life and property can be avoided. We seek the truth and aim to publish the truth in this case without bias.

If you have information that would aid in holding the ship owner’s accountable for the losses, we encourage you to contact us ASAP."


One might suggest the words "without bias" in the first para. are undercut by all the words of the second paragraph??
Yes, agree, looks like a lawyer has set up the site to recover monies for the crew.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I think it can be expected that the investigators will be looking at the following (in no particular order):

1. NOAA weather reports - what was known and when?
2. Condition of the ship, from stem to stern
3. Experience of the crew and how many crew a ship like the Bounty required
4. Testimony from the crew, both past and present
5. Minimum safety equipment required - did the ship have it?
6. Life safety equipment required - did the ship have it?
7. Because of the video, any evidence the captain actually chased hurricanes
8. How often the ship was in rough weather and whether any measures were taken to avoid that
9. Did the captain ignore any specific warnings (other than weather warnings) not to go to sea?
10. Were there any actions the captain could have taken to avoid the tragedy?

What did I miss?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

One of the crew/survivor stated that he had been through 2 hurricanes on the Bounty with the captain. I would like to hear more details on that one which the investigation should cover. To me statements like that should be proof enough that we should all be very careful in thinking that we know it all by our past actions/experiences. Some common sense seems to be lacking.
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