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We spent some time aboard that ship awhile back and it was a disaster. Planks and frames were rotted, seams were weeping, the timbers around all of the windows in the stern castle were rotted enough that I could push a knife-blade in to the hilt, etc. When I commented on this to the kid that was the watch captain he acknowledge all of the problems but said they didn't have the money to make all of the repairs needed and so focused on the engine, generator and pumps and "..never sail in a following sea".
Subsequent to posting the foregoing, I learned from another subscriber that the ship had undergone a major re-fit following our visit and that many of the problems we observed were supposedly corrected. Evidently, however, it wasn't enough. Let us hope the two missing kids are found...
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

The two missing crew have been identified; one of them is the skipper. From CBC News:
"Three crew members were washed overboard as they tried to get to two covered life-rafts, said the U.S. Coast Guard. Only one of the three members made it to the life-raft and was among the 14 people hoisted onto helicopters.

Coast Guard officials said the two missing crew members — a man and a woman — are believed to be in cold water survival suits and life-jackets. He said the air search is being plotted based on wind direction and speed, and will be expanded.

Claudia McCann, whose husband Robin Walbridge is the captain of the Bounty, told CBC News her husband is one of the two missing crew members. CBC News has learned the other missing crew member is Claudene Christian.

HMS Bounty sank several hours after the evacuation."

2 missing as Hurricane Sandy sinks HMS Bounty - Nova Scotia - CBC News

Slim chances unfortunately...hope for a miracle.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Lets hope for that miracle.

Meanwhile did you guys know that we own the fact that boat has been arround since the late 60's to Marlon Brando?

Though the ship was scheduled to be burned at the end of the film, Marlon Brando threatened to walk off the set, so MGM kept this vessel in service.

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Very sad how powerful the sea can be. Remember the Fantome?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I just saw the track of the Bounty on SailWx. It doesn't look like it made much of an effort to get East of the storm. It sailed nearly due south from Long Island before turning West. Something very odd here.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

I wonder if that was a conscious decision by the captain. The most dangerous stuff is on the east side of the eye. Granted, there's no great place to be in a hurricane and the left side of the eye isn't a whole lot better until a good chunk of the storm is over land.

Perhaps they thought the storm track would carry farther East than it actually did and he was trying to keep options open for making port by staying West of the storm. It might have been too late once the captain realized the storm had turned West, at which point he simply couldn't point East due to headwinds.

Just my .02 Hate to second guess the man who does this for a living and has the lives of others in his charge.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Thinking about it, had the captain run East to dodge the hurricane he would have had fewer options all the way around. If the storm had hooked north then east, he'd have had to run to the Azores for a safe harbor. I don't know how fast the Bounty could go, but if the captain thought that was the best option let's give him the benefit of the doubt that he thought of it and then chose not to for good reason.

Going South to the west of the storm gives him the option of ports, but in his case the storm caught him with nothing but NC shoals on the lee. Can't turn north due to the northerly headwind. Can't turn east because storm intensity increases in that direction. Nowhere to go at that point because the storm is sitting where he needs to go for deep water. He has to go South and ride the northerly wind looking for a place to hide or wait for the storm to pass.

Sounds like the captain did what he could and the vessel just couldn't get him there.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Since we can't interview the captain, maybe ever, we only have speculation. But one thing has been nagging me: The decision to head out to sea to save the boat (if that was the reason to leave port) meant someone considered the boat more valuable than human life. I can understand military vessels, which are constantly being maintained and have a well-trained, professional crew aboard. History shows the odds are substantially in their favor. But anything else, I just don't get.

Again and again we see people making decisions that put the lives of others in danger. There was another option, stay in port and hope for the best. No loss of human life, guaranteed. Now two are probably gone.
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Just my .02 Hate to second guess the man who does this for a living and has the lives of others in his charge.
Shoalfinder, a note of appreciation for your respectful attitude. We can analyze the event dispassionatelyand try to learn; that seems appropriate. Some seem intent on placing "blame" - appreciate that you are not one of them. We spent 3 days on the ship volunteering with them for their education mission when they were in Annapolis, and met many of the crew and the skipper. He's one of the two missing.
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... We can analyze the event dispassionatelyand try to learn; that seems appropriate. Some seem intent on placing "blame" - appreciate that you are not one of them. ...
I don't know if the Captain is to blame or if he had pressure to sail away but that boat is a replica of a XVIII century boat that obviously is not as seaworthy as a modern boat. It also demands an high skilled big and specialized crew to be sailed. It was pointed out here that the boat was old (1961) and even if it was maintained its condition left to be desired (for lack of funding).

It is obviously a ship to be sailed in fair weather. Taking the boat out, or not looking for shelter, with stormy conditions seems to me a questionable decision even if the idea was to dodge the worst part of it. That boat should not be there.

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