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We have the benefit of hindsight to know what was and what wasn't a secure port. When the Bounty left New London, CT on Thursday 10/25 the storm was near Cuba. There was no way to know where it would make landfall, predictions were anywhere from NC to southern Maine.
You are right about the forecast, but doesn't that make is all the more dangerous? No way to know you can avoid it.
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OK I give. Pualo Rather than sully my self with this anymore and give you the satisfaction of a reply, I think it is better to ignore you than to continue to subject others to this. Only the second time I felt compelled to put a SN memeber on ignore. Life is good. carry on

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You are right about the forecast, but doesn't that make is all the more dangerous? No way to know you can avoid it.
True enough. My intent was just to point out that there was so much uncertainty here that it seems a bit irresponsible to make blanket statements regarding what should or should not have been done.
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Is it possible to pull up these inspection reports? Cannot figure out how if there is.

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Some marinas have it in their contracts that you need to get off the dock in the event of a named storm. I don't blame them a bit. Extending this to include a 190' tall ship is really like comparing different fruits. I wondered why, from the beginning, he did not make for New Bedford, within a day sail from New London, behind the surge gates. New Bedford is used to having large commercial fishing vessels in there and in fact played host to many a tall ship during the whaling era (see Herman Melville:-). Even if he had to drop the hook in the middle of NB harbor, he would have been relatively safe. As far as up in the Narragansett, I can't really think of a spot where he could have had any confidence of finding a good hurricane spot for a vessel that big. Maybe right in Newport Harbor but it was probably jammed with boats looking for shelter.
Smurph, you are talking about Marinas. Bounty was in a natural big port, new London, this one:



To give you an Idea of the scale on the left there are a marina (small in the picture).

Even if the Captain considered safer to be out of the dock he had plenty of space to anchor.

Regarding being forced out of the dock I will point out that the Picton Castle, also a tall ship was there and remained there. His captain was one of the Captains that criticized openly and harshly the choice of Bounty's Captain of not staying in Port and chose to sail a Hurricane.

I will also pointed out that the Picton Castle, that stayed on the same port from where the Bounty leaved, did not sustain any damage with the Hurricane.

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Are you sure that Picton Castle was in New London CT?
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Smurph, you are talking about Marinas. Bounty was in a natural big port, new London, this one:



To give you an Idea of the scale on the left there are a marina (small in the picture).

Even if the Captain considered safer to be out of the dock he had plenty of space to anchor.

Regarding being forced out of the dock I will point out that the Picton Castle, also a tall ship was there and remained there. His captain was one of the Captains that criticized openly and harshly the choice of Bounty's Captain of not staying in Port and chose to sail a Hurricane.

I will also pointed out that the Picton Castle, that stayed on the same port from where the Bounty leaved, did not sustain any damage with the Hurricane.

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Wow. This is the third post I've made to you on this specific topic. You are wrong. The Picton Castle was NOT in New London, CT (where Bounty was). It was a few hundred miles away in Canada. Lunenburg, Nova Scotia to be precise. Make your argument if you want, but please use correct information. Here is a quote from their Facebook page from Oct 29:

"We are expecting the tail end of Hurricane Sandy to hit Lunenburg tonight; Picton Castle is snug with extra dock lines, halyards secured and double gaskets on all sails."

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Are you sure that Picton Castle was in New London CT?
It wasn't. It was in Canada, near Halifax.
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It wasn't. It was in Canada, near Halifax.
I actually knew that. Was only hoping to guide Paolo to see he doesn't need to pound so hard to make a point many of us agree with.
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Wow. This is the third post I've made to you on this specific topic. You are wrong. The Picton Castle was NOT in New London, CT (where Bounty was). It was a few hundred miles away in Canada. Lunenburg, Nova Scotia to be precise. Make your argument if you want, but please use correct information. Here is a quote from their Facebook page from Oct 29:

"We are expecting the tail end of Hurricane Sandy to hit Lunenburg tonight; Picton Castle is snug with extra dock lines, halyards secured and double gaskets on all sails."

http://www.facebook.com/BarquePictonCastle
Sorry about that, my mistake.

That take nothing about New London to be a big port.

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