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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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Casey, was the rest of that post yours, or quoted from Bonnie Ember (whoever that is)? It has several rather glaring historical errors.

"A minor point at such a moment" (anybody get the connection?)
The post I quoted was all from Bonnie Ember.
Could you elaborate?
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I think the Southeast v Southwest thing was just someone's misstatement, maybe even the Captains.

I do believe he meant to say he would sail into a hurricane. His crew confirmed he had done it before in their GMA interview.
Fully agree he was trying to sail at least towards the hurricane. But which quadrant was he trying to make it to? He says (or at leasted reporters quoted), he was trying to make the southeast quad, but would that not mean head winds and head seas in the direction he was trying to go? Would not southwest have been better with following seas and aft winds?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Southwest was clearly the one he was going for, based on the satellite tracking of the ship's position. I do believe that would be to get the wind behind him on that trip.

Which he actually said seems unclear.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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I never said I knew what happened.(snip)
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(snippage)The fact that he went to sea with a damaged pump system (one Genset out of service)
You plainly labeled it as a fact, so how is that NOT saying you knew what happened?

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information was given to gCaptain sailor forum (professional sailors) by someone from the Bounty, not necessarily the crew. I posted with good faith but I admit that we don't know if that was true or not
You keep touting gCaptain, and keep repeating the "professional sailors" claim. But the FACT is that anybody can join it and post there, not just "professional sailors." Case in point, you're on there.

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We know also that the boat had been already in a similar situation in a storm, I mean making water with the generators out of service, without other type of auxiliary pups
You have re-posted rumors to that effect, with no source cited.

If you don't want people attributing things to you that you didn't actually say, then make your posts a little more readable. All of this color changing, bold, font size change, etc, makes it difficult to differentiate between what you are saying and what you are re-posting (without the use of any quotation notation).
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Okay. There are some facts already. Broadcast crew interview, satellite tracking, hurricane forecast, etc, etc.

I've read all sorts of examples of things that might mitigate the bad decision to set sail on this voyage, but are there any facts yet that suggest any mitigant?

Suggestions I've heard that have not been supported by evidence I've seen:

Captain may have been forced to go by employer
Ship may have failed despite the storm
Harbor may have made them leave
They were trying to save the boat

It's been over a week and this story has received national media coverage. If there was another side to this story, it seems we would have begun to hear something.

There are 14 survivors and, unless they have been gagged, the 6 degrees of separation seems it would have brought something less damning to light by now.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Looks like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck, probably is a duck.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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We would wait for Hartley investigation about that but I think that the chances for that to have happened are very near 0.
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I poked around here: CHMA Current News of Interest

but didn't find anything regarding emergency conditions. As others have mentioned, there is a lot going on around New London/Groton. The submarine base, USCG Academy, USCG station. I couldn't find any link for the New London Harbormaster though, other than contact information.
Very close ..I don't think that's the right link - but thanks for trying. It seems you'd need to know exactly which part of the Port he was berthed at. Maybe the Harbormaster's Office has a separate (government) web site somewhere, but...

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Does not sound like Dock Master forced him out:
Debate rages about Bounty captain's decision to set sail | The Chronicle Herald

“He said he wanted to get to the southeast quadrant and ride the storm out,” said New London Dockmaster Barbara Neff. No one raised objections.
Well spotted!! Looks like The Chronicle Herald is on the case - and got a straight answer out of the Harbormaster already.

Bit lame of them not to suggest he re-consider leaving in the face of the storm - but, he IS the Captain of the ship and, as such, bears the responsibility for what happens afterward - so it's not all that surprising... really.

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Harbor may have made them leave
So.. we now know the Harbor didn't make them leave. That's one off the list.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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So the assumption here is that all facts should be discovered by the media and out by a week....hmmmmmm. Interesting standard both time wise and who discovers and uncovers facts
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So the assumption here is that all facts should be discovered by the media and out by a week....hmmmmmm. Interesting standard both time wise and who discovers and uncovers facts
Chef, do you know for a fact that Bounty has sunk? Were you there, on your boat along side the Bounty as she slipped below the water? Or are you basing your information on media reports and what the CG reported?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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Dont waste your time hear. He doesnt understand all the bold is poor internet etiquette and means shouting even though he has been told this repeatedly. In addition the posts are full of conjecture, inuendo, and suspect validity he passes off as facts. gCaptain is a social media site like Sailnet, Twitter and Facebook

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