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Pictures and a first hand interview with a survivor I saw. I trust the Coast gaurd officers statement before I trust PCPs g captain report


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Pictures and a first hand interview with a survivor I saw. I trust the Coast gaurd officers statement before I trust PCPs g captain report
Well when the coast guard left the scene the ships mast were still above the water, so the ship had not completely sunk. For all we know the ship could still be floating, unless you want to assume it did sink after the CG left the scene.
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Remember while you attack me I am not saying the the Captain isnt responsible. I am saying there are many facts not discovered as of yet. The investigation will take a long time, but I am confident that ALL the facts will come out. This doesnt mean I beleive the Captains responsibility will be absolved. IMHO I beleive other contributing factors will be found and other will also be held responsible. Note: I am identifying that statement as my opinion only, not as fact... a humble sailor


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Remember while you attack me I am not saying the the Captain isnt responsible. I am saying there are many facts not discovered as of yet. The investigation will take a long time, but I am confident that ALL the facts will come out. This doesnt mean I beleive the Captains responsibility will be absolved. IMHO I beleive other contributing factors will be found and other will also be held responsible. Note: I am identifying that statement as my opinion only, not as fact... a humble sailor
No one is attacking you. Just pointing out the fact that we as humans make assumptions. Even the CG report will make assumptions based on evidence and experience of the examiner.

I too egerly wait for the CG report. That report may find some amazing evidence that shows the Capt made a remarkable and correct decision to take the ship to sea.

I also hope the CG report will examine the sailing qualities of the Bounty. Was she a motor/sail? What type weather could she handle and how close to windward could she sail? Was her ballasting correct (notice in records some major changes had been made to the ballast type and location)?

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have you read the forward report from Roger Long...intersting reading

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So the assumption here is that all facts should be discovered by the media and out by a week....hmmmmmm. Interesting standard both time wise and who discovers and uncovers facts
Wow, man. Is that even remotely what I said?

Did I say "all the facts should be discovered"?

I asked if there were any facts that contradicted the damning ones we have. Are there?


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Yes, I read those about a year ago. A lot of it would take me some time to fully understand (and I am a licensed Mechanical Engineer). I did sail on the original Pride of Baltimore so I found the articles very interesting.
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I asked if there were any facts that contradicted the damning ones we have. Are there?
The only damning facts appear to be about the captain. All others may come out in time. May actually take longer than 7 days and may take professionals to root them out/
Proably why the have professionals not media or bloggers on investigative boards

My answer is that all the facts may not be in evidence yet, they may not be discovered in 7 days or by the media


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.....My answer is that all the facts may not be in evidence yet, they may not be discovered in 7 days or by the media
I'm sure all the facts are not in evidence yet. But, conversationally, with 14 survivors, I would expect to have heard at least one fact by now to suggest there should be anything other than the damning opinions drawn by most. Just one, not all.

By the way, the famous "six degrees of separation" has been scientifically proven to be only about 2 degrees now, because of the internet. That suggests to me that it is statistically impossible to think we haven't heard of one mitigating fact out there by now from 14 people.

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I'm sure all the facts are not in evidence yet. But, conversationally, with 14 survivors, I would expect to have heard at least one fact by now to suggest there should be anything other than the damning opinions drawn by most. Just one, not all.

By the way, the famous "six degrees of separation" has been scientifically proven to be only about 2 degrees now, because of the internet. That suggests to me that it is statistically impossible to think we haven't heard of one mitigating fact out there by now from 14 people.

Time will tell.
Premature disclosure of evidence to the media or the blogosphere can taint the testimony of others. And USCG knows to keep all the facts in confidence until all the evidence is in, and conclusions can be drawn.

Maybe I have too much faith in people, but I would expect that the people who have the information care enough about a fair and untainted investigation to keep their mouths shut. And I expect that the USCG reminded them of this after their debriefings.


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