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I didnt pull the word synchophant out of thin air. Wether it was originally posted on gCaptain or quoted by a poster on here to make their point it is the same as posting it IMHO. Whoever posts it agrees with it or they wouldnt quote it. Please stop nitpicking my posts over words, like who said sychophant or the REAL meaning in the kinds english of the word bash ( BTW a poster on gCaptian also used the same word), It detracts from the intention of the post and the constant nitpicking really is irrelevant.

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So true, I can think of many instances like this. It was stated well here that just passing a CG multiple choice test by itself doesnt qualify you for anything.

We have also seen experience doesnt mean it also. The wrong experience could lead to a false sense of security...and too much expeience could lead to complacency.

So what do we do...check out people before we board their ship for a quick sail in Baltimore harbor? I certainly would be more thorough checking out the Captain as a crew memeber on an ocean going passage like this vessel set out on. Would that research have shown his willingness to set sail into the path of a hurricane?

Here is the real question....I have a feeling I know what most of your answers are but I will ask......

Had you been a signed up member of the crew, with your present state of experience and knowledge....would you have stepped foot on the Bounty and left the dock with Captain Walbridge that evening? If not what would you have done?

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I know exactly what I would of done, I would of told him he's a flipp'n moron and physically stopped him from leaving the dock. I've been faced with the same descision when I was a young crew on a ship right before Hugo hit P.R.. and the ship did sink, at the dock. Luckly the crew headed my protest and joined in my descision to not go, or I was going to disable the engine beyond a quick repair.

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So we are going to ask the Coast Guard to increase inspections to protect us from ourselves?

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I agree that there should be minimal requirements for certain positions on a ship, such as the captain of a passenger vessel. But time alone doesn't make a wise, skilled professional.
Witness the captain of the Costa Concordia.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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I didnt pull the word synchophant out of thin air. Wether it was originally posted on gCaptain or quoted by a poster on here to make their point it is the same as posting it IMHO. Whoever posts it agrees with it or they wouldnt quote it. ... It detracts from the intention of the post and the constant nitpicking really is irrelevant.

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Dave, let me make it clear: When I post here the opinions of experienced professionals (as you saw I posted also their qualifications) about a subject that does not mean I agree necessarily with all of what they are saying and I may even disagree. However, have I said, for the reasons that Capt.aaron made clear, I value their overall opinions over my own and I think they are a good contribution for this discussion. By the way I don't agree with the word "synchophant " to qualify the Bounty crew.

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Had you been a signed up member of the crew, with your present state of experience and knowledge....would you have stepped foot on the Bounty and left the dock with Captain Walbridge that evening? If not what would you have done? Would you step off and walk away quietly? Would you confront the Captain and tell him your misgivings and not sail, would you tell the others they should not go? Would you call the home office and tell of thier misgivings? Would you call the CG and let them know the Captain likes to chase Hurricanes and was hell bent on chasing Sandy?

What would you really DO?

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That's a good question... But it doesn't work as a question because the people going with him have neither the life experience or sailing experience of me... That's not saying I'm anything great, but I am a solo sailor who has been solo in all my endeavors thru life, never married etc. I don't really do well in a company or team type group. I hate and can identify peer preasure, where others don't mind it, nor realize when they are being persuaded by the "if the team sticks together" crap.

So I have no doubt I would be straight off the boat and everyone would know its my decision based on lack of faith in a captain taking the vessel to sea in those conditions(note that's different to me saying I don't like the weather).

I would not tell the captain in front of the crew my lack of faith in him, I would say in front of the crew I think it's a weather problem and advise people to get off.

I would not call the Coast Guard but I would call the owners.
If I had a friend on board who I thought was under the influence of peer group, or cult group, I would call a lawyer to speak to the owners.

Finally I might call the local news.
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I know exactly what I would of done, I would of told him he's a flipp'n moron and physically stopped him from leaving the dock. I've been faced with the same descision when I was a young crew on a ship right before Hugo hit P.R.. and the ship did sink, at the dock. Luckly the crew headed my protest and joined in my descision to not go, or I was going to disable the engine beyond a quick repair.
Well, I certainly would not have sailed on a wooden XVII designed ship to an hurricane path unless at gun point. I surely would steep back of that boat and would voice loudly my opinion regarding the insanity of doing that even at a cost of being called a coward and knowing perfectly well that nobody would listen to me. At least I would have tried

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Here is the real question....I have a feeling I know what most of your answers are but I will ask......

Had you been a signed up member of the crew, with your present state of experience and knowledge....would you have stepped foot on the Bounty and left the dock with Captain Walbridge that evening? If not what would you have done? Would you step off and walk away quietly? Would you confront the Captain and tell him your misgivings and not sail, would you tell the others they should not go? Would you call the home office and tell of thier misgivings? Would you call the CG and let them know the Captain likes to chase Hurricanes and was hell bent on chasing Sandy?

What would you really DO?

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Here's what I would do. Talk with the Capt in private and tell him I think it is a bad idea to sail when a hurricane is lurking in our path. Try to talk him out of going. If he still wanted to sail, I would probably call the main office, talk with the head hancho and try to talk them out of sailing the ship.

If the Office and the Capt still wanted to sail, I would privately warn each crew individually of my concerns especially if they were not experienced with the sea, to give them the option to step off the ship. In the end, if the ship sailed, I would probably go. I am a pretty good swimmer and think I could survive a sinking, and may be able to help others survive and be some benefit to the ship, so I probably would go.
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Could the Coast Guard have prevented the Bounty from sailing when it left the dock prior to hurricane Sandy? If so, under what regulation? If someone had called the CG and said they did not think Bounty should sail, would the CG do anything or just let her go? Can the CG restrict boats/ships from sailing into certain weather systems like a northeaster or hurricane, seeing the CG will be called for help when somthing goes wrong?
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Could the Coast Guard have prevented the Bounty from sailing when it left the dock prior to hurricane Sandy? If so, under what regulation? If someone had called the CG and said they did not think Bounty should sail, would the CG do anything or just let her go? Can the CG restrict boats/ships from sailing into certain weather systems like a northeaster or hurricane, seeing the CG will be called for help when somthing goes wrong?
They can close a harbor. restricting movement. MARSEC level's and what not. They can advise against, and they can decommission a vessel and admin. fines to the captain and owners as well as pull his ticket if he does'nt head the warning.

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They can close a harbor. restricting movement. MARSEC level's and what not. They can advise against, and they can decommission a vessel and admin. fines to the captain and owners as well as pull his ticket if he does'nt head the warning.
Sorry, MARSEC levels?

Do you mean that like here they can close selectively a Port?

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