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Oh no, they may not know the truth!! They may think they know. They may think they were going of their own free will.

But no they may have been deluded!

Young, naive, and deluded by lots of nice masts, a skipper with personality, a mate with a gold earring, the smell of adventure and "we are a team!" Or the other type: "yes, you go home to mummy you woooose. Go play with toys, you're not man enough to sail on a tall ship with us. Look how stupid you will feel when we arrive in Florida having beaten Frankenstorm".

No. The people inside the cult, the ones believing the cult leader may be the last to be able to tell the truth.
I think it is all in degrees of risk.

A lot of non sailing folks think we as sailors going out on the ocean in little plastic sail boats is stupid. They think it is a risk, and when we run into trouble we call up the Coast Guard asking for (and sometimes demanding) help, all at the risk of lives to the Coast Guard and all the while spending taxpayers' money in the process. A lot of non sailor folks probably think all pleasure boats should stay at the dock at all times.

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And the need to go to the Admiral is to make sure this rather drastic step of ordering someone not to sail from a nice harbor on a nice day because of what might happen later at sea, isn't overused of taken in haste by some Lieutenant down on the waterfront. Usually Admiral follows the recommendation of the Captain of the Port, who knows his/her Lieutenants.
Yes I guess it has similarities but here a Port captain is never a lieutenant. We have a different terminology, here a Captain is always a Navy officer and also one that is a rank to be Captain of a ship have a look:

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As you see there are several Captains and the lower one it is Capitão Tenente that corresponds to a Major in the army. Normally Captain-lieutenant are in charge of smaller ports and on bigger ones the rank is Capitães de Fragata (over on the hierarchy). No inexperienced lieutenants in charge, all experienced seamen and probably is why they don't have to have authorization from an Admiral if they think something requires their ruling in what regards safety.

On the merchant ships "Captains" here are Comandantes (commander) and on fishing boats or small boats Mestres (Master). On private boats they are Patrões (Boss). Were we have to have licences for commanding private boats over 7m (Patrão). Under that you need only a Sailor's licence (Marinheiro). There are 3 Patrões licences, Local, Coastal and Deep sea (unlimited).

Well, complicated but you have to remember that our Navy is almost 800 years old and names and titles come for a long way and that tend to make things a lot more complicated

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I know a girl who is friends with one of the 16, she's a schooner girl from Key West and I'll ask her when I get to land on wed. If I can sit down and buy him a beer. I think he"s in The Key's now. Maybe get the scoop.
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I think it is all in degrees of risk.

A lot of non sailing folks think we as sailors going out on the ocean in little plastic sail boats is stupid. They think it is a risk, and when we run into trouble we call up the Coast Guard asking for (and sometimes demanding) help, all at the risk of lives to the Coast Guard and all the while spending taxpayers' money in the process. A lot of non sailor folks probably think all pleasure boats should stay at the dock.
I think someday we are going to have problems because there are too many sailors out there calling for help without having a valid reason to do so (except inexperience) or because they are doing foolish things in old boats that should only be sailed locally. The worst thing is that the non sailing guys are starting to have a point.

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I think someday we are going to have problems because there are too many sailors out there calling for help without having a valid reason to do so (except inexperience) or because they are doing foolish things in old boats that should only be sailed locally. The worst thing is that the non sailing guys are starting to have a point.

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Agree. And with all the electronic charts, navigation, gps trackers, sat phones and e-mail, weather routing, weather forcasting, power winches, rolling furler and reefing mains on boats now, it is easy for a non experienced sailor (with a lot of money) to purchase a large well equiped boat and go out and get themselves into real trouble.
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agree. And with all the electronic charts, navigation, gps trackers, sat phones and e-mail, weather routing, weather forcasting, power winches, rolling furler and reefing mains on boats now, it is easy for a non experienced sailor (with a lot of money) to purchase a large well equiped boat and go out and get themselves into real trouble.
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I know a girl who is friends with one of the 16, she's a schooner girl from Key West and I'll ask her when I get to land on wed. If I can sit down and buy him a beer. I think he"s in The Key's now. Maybe get the scoop.
That would be really cool. Even if his answer is "on the advice of my lawyer, I can offer no comment." I can only imagine the line of questions the guy has had to endure already. Maybe a few pints will get him to speak anonymously to fellow salt.
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That would be really cool. Even if his answer is "on the advice of my lawyer, I can offer no comment." I can only imagine the line of questions the guy has had to endure already. Maybe a few pints will get him to speak anonymously to fellow salt.
I ran into her in the produce section of my neighborhood market. She was upset and asked me if I had heard about the Bounty. " No" I said, and she said her buddy was on board and had heard 2 had been lost. He called her in the morning and said he was rescued, so they are pretty tight if she was one of the first people he called. She probably know's a lot about what went down. She's a talker so I'll just stop by with a six pack and let her do her thing. He's probably crashing on her couch.

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Agree. And with all the electronic charts, navigation, gps trackers, sat phones and e-mail, weather routing, weather forcasting, power winches, rolling furler and reefing mains on boats now, it is easy for a non experienced sailor (with a lot of money) to purchase a large well equiped boat and go out and get themselves into real trouble.
Or more likely not to be in trouble but to think he is in trouble or even more likely his wife thinking they are in trouble

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I think someday we are going to have problems because there are too many sailors out there calling for help without having a valid reason to do so (except inexperience) or because they are doing foolish things in old boats that should only be sailed locally. The worst thing is that the non sailing guys are starting to have a point.
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And with all the electronic charts, navigation, gps trackers, sat phones and e-mail, weather routing, weather forcasting, power winches, rolling furler and reefing mains on boats now, it is easy for a non experienced sailor (with a lot of money) to purchase a large well equiped boat and go out and get themselves into real trouble.
Probably how the professional truckers feel about car drivers.
Probabaly how the cowboys felt about the settlers going west to populate the US
Probabaly how the landowners in the country feel about the amateur hunters
Proabaly how the professional pilots feel about amatuers taking flying lessons


I am sure the professionals or people who make their professions feel this about people who utilize their space in a recreational manner.

Their are multiple layers of police who gaurd assist in the waters in coastal United Staes and it isnt necessarily always the CG intervening. I fact the CG has turned a lot of calls from recereational boaters over to other first responders and have changed their protocols. In addition there are many money making organizations who respond to most boating problems the people you describe above would require response to. Generally they dont respond unless their is potential loss of life immediately or they are the only game in town.

Overall I have respect for the CG and have seen a degree of professionalism throughout most of my dealings with them. very organization has its Wyatt Earps. Every big organization which has a political head has its beauracracy.

In todays world of terrorism I like seeing their presence in our waterway and harbor. I like seeing them escorting the cruise ships.
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