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Even if I don't like it a bit, a mandatory rescue insurance will be an effective measure
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I agree with this

But we dont even have mandaory boat insurance here. How would you require someone like smallboatlover to get this when they dont even want to purchase liability or insurance against environmental damage ? Mandatory...oh man that wont resonate well with most
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I agree with this

But we dont even have mandaory boat insurance here. How would you require someone like smallboatlover to get this when they dont even want to purchase liability or insurance against environmental damage ? Mandatory...oh man that wont resonate well with most
Most boats need to be registered with the ported state, even very small day sailors. Maybe the states could require insurance when registering. The same way cars are required to have liability insurance when registering.

Actually, the states would like this, another way to make money off boaters. Part of the money could go to the federal government to pay the Coast Guard.
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Conditions worsened later in the day. Crew members began pulling out immersion suits — used to keep them dry and warm in the water — and stuffing dry bags with rations in case the order came to abandon ship, Barksdale said.
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I have a question about water temperature:

Somewhere I read that the water temperature was 77degF, elsewhere 25degC. If that's true, what's with the Gumby suits? I would not have thought they'd be needed (or helpful) in those conditions if the water was that warm. What have I missed?
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...if the good sense continues to lack and the number of rescues continue to raise...
Please post a link to your source for these statistics. I did not realize that the frequency of rescues was actually rising and I would be very interested in seeing this.

Or does it just seem like this because of TV shows like Coast Guard Alaska and web sites like Sail net?
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I have a question about water temperature:

Somewhere I read that the water temperature was 77degF, elsewhere 25degC. If that's true, what's with the Gumby suits? I would not have thought they'd be needed (or helpful) in those conditions if the water was that warm. What have I missed?
I saw that 77 deg report (I believe from the CG). If in or near the gulf stream the water can be warm. But even at 77 deg with the wind blowing and at night, an imersion suit would be good. Although I could see it could hinder you while trying to swim clear of a sinking ship and its rigging (as one survior described). The imersion suit would also help you float in those high wind and large breaking waves. Those suits saved some lives on the Bounty no doubt.

Here in Hawaii the water is normally between 72 and 77 degree. While exerting a lot of energy I can get real cold. After cleaning to bottom of my boat, even with a shorty wet suit on, I come out of the water real cold. Most free divers wear some type of wet suit to stay warm.

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Even if I don't like it a bit, a mandatory rescue insurance will be an effective measure. It will make possible even for the ones that want to go offshore on old boats in bad condition or in inadequate boats to do so but the premium would be so big in that case that would really discourage them do that. For guys with big new boats the premium would be probably very small unless the area to sail was particularly dangerous.

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If you were familiar with the insurance industry you would not have said that.
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Please post a link to your source for these statistics. I did not realize that the frequency of rescues was actually rising and I would be very interested in seeing this.

Or does it just seem like this because of TV shows like Coast Guard Alaska and web sites like Sail net?
I do not have a source of rescue data, but I will see what I can find. One thing for sure is all these PLB and SPOT's, and cell phones with gps make people feel safer while going on adventure. Help is only a push button away. What this leads to is people taking greater risks as they think they can just punch out when things get to dicey. This happens not only on the water, but on hiking trails and other inland sports locations.
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If you were familiar with the insurance industry you would not have said that.
What do you mean? I am only familiar with the ones here and they take into consideration the age of the boat, the type of boat, the navigation area, the sailor's experience and previous accidents. A good insurance company adequate the premiums to the risks. It is not like that in the US?

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Please post a link to your source for these statistics. I did not realize that the frequency of rescues was actually rising and I would be very interested in seeing this.

Or does it just seem like this because of TV shows like Coast Guard Alaska and web sites like Sail net?
I am not sure how to read into this data, but looks like number of rescues and the rescue hours continues to fall, so maybe all the electronic beacons we have save the CG money:
RITA | BTS | Table 2-49: U.S. Coast Guard Search and Rescue Statistics, Fiscal Year
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What do you mean? I am only familiar with the ones here and they take into consideration the age of the boat, the type of boat, the navigation area, the sailor's experience and previous accidents. A good insurance company adequate the premiums to the risks. It is not like that in the US?

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I suppose it is similar. They do have lots of statistics that they share portions of. But since I think insurance companies are basically evil I have to say that they will never be truly fair in pricing the cost for anyone. I don't know how the oversight is where you are. Here it is strictly regulated but they get away with "murder" all the time.
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