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Celestial Navigation? Forget it!

65K views 329 replies 101 participants last post by  Valiente  
#1 ·
Today, Sailnet posted an article by Liza Copeland about the hazards of cruising.

The first third of the article was about navigation, wherein she declared that it was dangerous to "rely solely on electronic navigation." This is about the thousandth time I''ve heard this over the past few years.

In 20 years sextants will be rarer on boats than lubber lines are today. The reason: learning celestial navigation is a waste of time and money.

I have three GPSs on my boat. I didn''t buy three GPSs on purpose, but they''ve accumulated over the years. They never seem to fail, and the space required for the spares and spare batteries is tiny.

The problems with CN are: a it requires considerable skill and continuous practice to use it. It requires an extraordinarily expensive piece of optics to get even the fuzziest of fixes, it depends on a complex set of calculations, and -- here''s the topper -- a sextant is just as vulnerable -- in its own way as a piece of electronics. I''ve dropped my GPSs dozens of times (I guess eventually I''ll kill one); I wonder how many drops a sextant could take and still get a fix withing 1000 miles of position? If you drop it overboard, I guess the number of drops is 1. How many people can keep a spare $1500 sextant on board?

So, sorry to everyone that spent time mastering CN, and have dropped a lot of money on sextants. Your skills are no longer required. They might be needed some day, in some rare situation, and then you''ll be vindicated. But probably not. You''ll carry the damn thing around with you from now on, and keep looking at your GPS when you want to know where you are.

OK, all you grizzled sextant-totin'' old salts out there, let me have it. I can take it.
 
#316 ·
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Originally Posted by camaraderie View Post
Den/SD
Thanks guys...you woke me up from my nap with all that prodding.
As for my opinions...See posts 101,103,107,112,118,123,130,133,135,136,139,141,15 0,156,164,169,172,
176,178,195,198,238, 244, 253

I believe they fairly summarize my opinions. Indeed I am planning on incorporating them into my next book which is presently being composed under the working title of:
"Never discuss Celestial with those who never leave the sight of land! "
And ...Y'all can bite me!
Denby...it seems some things bear repeating!
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See what I mean Beersmith.:D :D
 
#323 · (Edited)
Your question: Asked and answered before. The sun won't be out THAT day. I have a better chance of being hit by a bus in Wyoming.
My family is not just SAFE...but SAFER with multiple GPS's than ANY rliance on a sextant. My proof: 6 years of full time cruising with ZERO failures of GPS and MANY times when a sextant would have been useless if NEEDED.

Oh...it is also widely assumed that OUR GPS system would be degraded in a military situation to disadvantage adversaries. Not surprisingly...China has elected to construct their OWN GPS system to prevent this countermeasure. It is in place and has a reported accuracy of 10 meters. They do not rely on US for the delivery of their missiles.
Beidou navigation system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the way...it is even more HIGHLY unlikely that I will be in the SPECIFIC area where GPS is degraded (Selective Availabiity) on a boat and out to sea.Note:
Q. Will SA ever be turned back on?

A.
It is not the intent of the U.S. to ever use SA again. To ensure that potential adversaries to do not use GPS, the military is dedicated to the development and deployment of regional denial capabilities in lieu of global degradation through
SA.

 
#325 ·
No, but he will have ten GPS units aboard... the in-dash unit, plus another full-size road navigation unit and eight hand-held backups in a steel box with extra batteries—in case of a lightning strike or nuclear war...
 
#327 ·
Some topics seem to be ideological, that is depending on beliefs. So I admit that the reasons why I have a sextant and each year buy the Nautical Almanac is that I believe that I one day may need them. This belief in turn is founded on other beliefs. I believe that electrical failure may occur. That is, by the way, the reason why I also have paper charts, even when I have electronic charts.

I am not quite alone in this belief. The Royal Norwegian Maritime Directory that issues certificates for all kinds of skippers, do that concerning leisure-skippers (up to 50 tons) in to versions, one for coastal sailing and one non-limited waters. The difference between them being that an examination testing for adequate skills in CN is required to be licensed for all waters.

Forgetting about CN is a belief as well, just another belief or perhaps I should say, another faith.

Now one important aspect in my beliefs is that I also believe that I one day will cross the Atlantic ocean. Even though my ship went down last time (in the Bay of Biscay October 2008) I tried. Because I do not believe that I will need a sextant for sailing i the waters between the Scandinavian countries. I need my sextant ( or rather the new one I will need to buy because the last one went down with the ship) for crossing the Atlantic Ocean.

It is not possible to decide which one these two beliefs is the right one. It is only possible to decide which one of the two is the most prudent, when one want to cross the Atlantic Ocean.