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post #32 of Old 02-21-2012
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
How does one determine "breaking thin ice" as different from "patrolling thinly iced waters" on routine patrol, for pollution or other problems?

"Socialism has one absolute outcome: wide spread poverty. "
Well, tell that to the Scandanavians. Finland calls itself a Demorcratic Republic, the same as the US, but it sure looks and acts like a socialist state but given their tax rate and social policies. And there's not much poverty to be found compared to, say, the richness of Appalachia.
Classic Greece was a Democracy, just like the US. Complete to having both citizens and slaves. So was Iceland. Perhaps that means Socialism is a superior state, since it does not allow for slaves?
It all depends on the definition of slavery. Functionally when you are forced to turn over to other more than you keep for yourself, thats slavery and whether your turn over the bulk of you income to a 'master' or a bureaucrat ... the endpoint is the same: you ARE a slave/serf & no matter what you call 'the master'.
Scandinavia is no utopia as Norway requires essentially 90% of ones income in 'taxes', Sweden & Finland about 75%, Germany & France well over 60-65% ... and with those paying 'their fair share' have very little influence or control over the bureaucrats who 'manage' all their affairs. ... and yes in the mega-blue states of the US when you count up ALL the insidious forms of wealth extraction from individuals, its now about 60+% of income thats paid to 'some form of government' ... always of course euphemistically named as 'fair share', just not every YOUR fair share'.
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