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Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

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I am looking for some feedback on the attached pictures. Would be super appreciative of your feedback before we choose to go down the path of a full survey. She is a mid 2000 Beneteau 473 in very good condition with many of the additions we are looking for. However, upon my initial inspection I found some cracks to the grid beneath the floor panels near the keel. The boat was in charter and the owner states he was never made aware of a grounding; however seems quite clear something occurred. I've done my best to capture various angles on multiple bolts and the liner leading up and beyond. I appreciate seeing and giving some advice through these pictures is hard, but your feedback is valuable at this time than me moving straight into a survey.

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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

here are a few more pics. Thanks for the guidance.
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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

It could be poor workmanship in the original layup or the bareboat company didn't have a very good glass man to cover up some damage. Get it surveyed!

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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

Given the Cheeki Rafiki incident, I would *RUN* away from any boat that any possibility of a grounding in its history unless it was fully checked out and repaired. Especially those that have been in heavy charter. Even if the damage has been disclosed and repaired, I'd demand to see reports verifying structural integrity - and those tests are not cheap. I believe ultrasounds and Professional Engineers are involved. No hyperbole - you and your family's lives are at stake.

As for the seller saying its never been grounded in charter...thats just hogwash. There are unscrupulous people that rent boats. They don't/won't disclose the damage they've done to the boat when they return it to base. And if the owners check in procedure isn't thorough enough to catch this until several weeks or months after a charter, well who will the owner "charge" for the repair?

Hulls, liners and grids don't mysteriously crack on their own. There are either workmanship issues with this boats layup or this boat has been grounded.

You have picked a great boat *model*, but the wrong boat, IMHO.

The 473 (and the entire xx3 line of Beneteau's) was one of the last lines that had a more traditional looking lines from Beneteau. Interiors were still somewhat traditional too, not to Euro/IKEA inside and not super "over engineered" with things like movable interior bulkheads for multipurpose sailing or complicated electrical panels that are more form than function. Lots of equipment of standard sizes from major manufacturers - Lewmar mostly. They actually had toe aluminum toe-rails and just enough teak to be mainteance chore (but I suspect yours being ex-charter, no teak and lots of cabins and heads). This is a great long distance cruising boat and prices have really dropped on them as they're now coming up 10 year refits.

What kind of sailing do you intend to do?
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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

I would not waste money on a survey. Look at another boat.

The moment the surveyor came on board my prospective B 393 he told me and my GF to gather around the Saloon and said before he popped up the floor board told us what he was looking for: cracks around the grid near the keel bolts that would indicate a hard grounding. If he found those cracks he would tell us to catch to first bus outta town.
My anxiety level shot up as we crowded close as with flair he dramatically lifted the floorboard...
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All clear!!
Yay, we heaved a sigh of relief and the surveyor moved on.

He described exactly the same cracks as you have.


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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

It's impossible to give reliable input from a pic. The one that got my attention the most, is the bolt head with some sort of goop all over it and staining around the backing plate. Makes me think she's leaking and maintenance was half-assed, which would imply the keel bedding was compromised.

If the hull is solid glass, this may be fully repairable, but at substantial cost to drop and re-bed the keel and re-glass the ribs/stringers. If she has a cored hull, I'm just guessing this a major problem.

My usual advice for suspect boats is to walk. There are thousands of others that aren't. If she's truly unique, you just have to buy her cheap enough to be able to do the repair and still be all-in for much less than the going price of the same boat, without a major damage history. If you can get it cheaply, fix it thoroughly, and then sell it cheaply, it can work. The seller, however, rarely agrees. They just wait for a sucker.
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, which would imply the keel bedding was compromised.
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If the hull is solid glass,
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My usual advice for suspect boats is to walk. There are thousands of others that aren't. If she's truly unique,
Yes, all Bene's are solid core

Unique!? She's a 473. There's hundreds out there. Superb cruising boat! There will be many, many better ones on the market.

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Resale value will be v low as soon as anyone sees this and/or the repairs.
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I bet this is the lowest priced 473 by a long shot on YachtWorld. Eh?

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Yes, all Bene's are solid core


I bet this is the lowest priced 473 by a long shot on YachtWorld. Eh?
A point to add on this. Even if she's the cheapest on yachtworld by a mile...you're still going to pay MARKET price. The price reflects the cost to do the repairs. There are no real "deals" on Yachtworld. Have to hustle to find those locally!

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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

Personally I would pass on that one and keep looking. Lots of 473s around.

I would say that those cracks are serious and structural not cosmetic.

A good glass man could fix it by grinding out, filling then adding some reinforcement. But a good repair will be obvious so will always raise questions if you try to sell it.

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Re: Advice on Beneteau 473 looking to purchase

Thanks all. All great points. Everyone's opinion really helped us to decide that we aren't going to pay for it to be surveyed and thus pass on it.
While not new to sailing, we are new to the SailNet community....so looking forward to "virtually" meeting everyone.
PS: educate me on how to find those deals locally?!
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