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Boat suggestions or comments, 38-42 feet.

We are shopping for our new to us sailing boat. Cruising area is Florida, ICW, Bahamas. For a couple with a dog. To give you the picture, here is our short story:

We sold our 37' sailboat (80's full keel heavy US made) last fall, after 8 years of ownership. We sailed her from Lake Champlain to Grenada, South America, Central America and back to the Bahamas for the last 3 winters.

At the beginning it was a 2 years project...We sold her to never have another sailboat...The usual story!

We really liked certain aspect it: generous interior, big cockpit, really safe for novice (us), solid with top quality components and it was ready to go at purchase.

For the next boat we need to improve on some aspect without loosing what we liked about the old one:
- Better sailing. Lets face it, she was a motor sailor, we had to use the motor way to much. I need a boat that can sail in light wind, 8kt. Wind is ok, the problem is the waves that comes with it.
- Let say PHRF between 100 and 130.
- 38 to 42 feet.
- Need storage, reservoirs, energy and food to stay hidden for at least a month. Like 100g of water and 50g of fuel.
- A good dinghy and outboard to go fishing (see previous item...). Hey! if it comes with it...
- no intention of crossing ocean, occasional overnights only. Island hoping is what we do.
- Dry cockpit when sailing and protected from wind at anchor.
- An anchor chain pit with outside cover. We have anchored up to 3 times in the same day. This one is a must for us, having to go in for un-jaming the chain during maneuvers was a pain. And power windlass. And all chain. And a Rocna...
- An arch to put the solar panels, wind gen, radar, dinghy, outboard etc...
- salt water footpump in galley
- My wife would really like a swim platform

Just like this was not enough, we want it cheap, under $40,000.

I know it is all about compromise and that most of the items on that list are add-on that we could do on our previous boat, except some major items like speed and light air sailing, we could not fix.

I am not looking for a major fixer. Need a solid base hull & deck, good layout, good engine. Something desirable that will hold value. The rest can be added on or fixed. All a matter of price.

On my short list I have:
- Ericson 38-200
- Pearson 39-2, centerboard
- C&C 40 mk2, centerboard. Is that a race boat? No regatas for us.
- Beneteau Oceanis 400
- Beneteau Oceanis 390, 4.5' draft
- Jeanneau Sun Fizz 40, they are rare
- Sabre 38 or 42, expensive
- Catalina 42 mk1, may be too expensive

So what do you think?

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PS: A rich man once told me that it is better to pay a high price for something that every body wants than a low price for something that nobody wants !
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Re: Boat suggestions or comments, 38-42 feet.

you have lots of experience, get one of the boats you like

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Re: Boat suggestions or comments, 38-42 feet.

Those are all really good questions for someone like me who is new to boating and thinking about buying my first boat in the next 6 months. Your criteria is very similar to mine as far a price range, size and equipment. Please keep posting what you find (likes and dislikes).
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Those are all really good questions for someone like me who is new to boating and thinking about buying my first boat in the next 6 months. Your criteria is very similar to mine as far a price range, size and equipment. Please keep posting what you find (likes and dislikes).
Humm...maybe I should contribute more.


I will try to keep you posted, I am suppose to visit one Ericson and one Beneteau in the next weeks.
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Re: Boat suggestions or comments, 38-42 feet.

For your price range, you really should add Hunter (pre-Marlow) to that mix. I did a whole lot of research and shopping before purchasing ours. We sail the exact same area/way you're talking about and she has been a great boat. I think you could get "more" and "better" for the money in many Hunters than the other brands you list. Here's my write-up if you're interested...

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Re: Boat suggestions or comments, 38-42 feet.

What was the boat you had for 8 years?
For your cruising area (draft issues), best boats in that range will be centerboards. Like P39 and C&C40. One here:1981 C&C 40 sailboat for sale in North Carolina

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For your price range, you really should add Hunter (pre-Marlow) to that mix. I did a whole lot of research and shopping before purchasing ours. We sail the exact same area/way you're talking about and she has been a great boat. I think you could get "more" and "better" for the money in many Hunters than the other brands you list. Here's my write-up if you're interested...
I will have a look. What is pre-Marlow? What year is that?


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For your cruising area (draft issues), best boats in that range will be centerboards. Like P39 and C&C40.
That C&C is the reason it was added to my list. I am a bit concern about the racing background, will I be able to managed in all conditions, will my crew be scared? I would be interested in opinions on C&C 40, how is it confortable for ocean sailing in 15-20kt 5-7' sea?

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That C&C is the reason it was added to my list. I am a bit concern about the racing background, will I be able to managed in all conditions, will my crew be scared? I would be interested in opinions on C&C 40, how is it confortable for ocean sailing in 15-20kt 5-7' sea?

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This is not a typical racing boat, more like a fast cruiser. These are well built, relatively heavy boats with good ballast ratio that sail very well. In heavier air you will need to reef early, of course. The negative here IMO is a tall mast which can be a problem on ICW. I would check into it's rig specifics with the current owner.

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I will have a look. What is pre-Marlow? What year is that?
I think Marlow bought it around 2012. But the original Hunter models were still being sold until a year or two ago I think.

In any case, for your budget you obviously don't have to worry about that. You're going to be confined to years before the early-mid 90s. $40K is a fairly skinny budget for a 40' boat ready to go...unless it's relatively old.

Have you searched Yachtworld with your specs? That's will give you a very good idea of what's out there with the various brands.

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Re: Boat suggestions or comments, 38-42 feet.

I think he might get a legend 35.5 in fairly good shape or a maybe a 37.5 in that price range but to get anything bigger you might get it for that price but that will just be the starting point. I thought I could put an additional 10 grand into my 33.5 and have her where I thought I wanted her. Boy was that a huge mistake! That while you're at it crap will really eat up the boat bucks. I do agree with smack about the Hunters though... You get an awful lot of bang for the buck and that's coming from a former Hunter Basher who tried to pull the trigger on 2 Tartans and one Ericson but just couldn't justify the extra cost for boats that were 12 - 14 years older.
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