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I remember you telling me that when you sold your old boat in Stuart - before your current one!

So you are bidding on that Superior 54? Looks like all it needs is a buff job and a dusting...

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Re: Multihull Popularity and Interesting Designs

I've seen a variety of helm locations on cats. There are dual helms at each side, there is the helm that sticks up through the aft deck roof and there is the big center helm up some stairs that sits above the salon.

Is one over the other considered a better design for long distance cruising? It would seem to me that being way up high is a longer pendulum, while in steep tight waves. I understand it won't move like a mono, but I'm asking about sea state that is moving the boat around.

I've also seen helms in the salon, but I've not seen line control in there. In rough weather, I assume one doesn't sail from in there.


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I remember you telling me that when you sold your old boat in Stuart - before your current one!



So you are bidding on that Superior 54? Looks like all it needs is a buff job and a dusting...



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Hmmmm, that would have left me boat less, I must have been drinking heavily that day!
No bids on the Superior, way to big for us and way to much work. We are currently still really enjoying our current catamaran. The size works well for us and she performs well.


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I've seen a variety of helm locations on cats. There are dual helms at each side, there is the helm that sticks up through the aft deck roof and there is the big center helm up some stairs that sits above the salon.

Is one over the other considered a better design for long distance cruising? It would seem to me that being way up high is a longer pendulum, while in steep tight waves. I understand it won't move like a mono, but I'm asking about sea state that is moving the boat around.

I've also seen helms in the salon, but I've not seen line control in there. In rough weather, I assume one doesn't sail from in there.
Helm positions! Now you are intentionally being provocative! Better duck for cover after bringing up this topic, as it splits up catamaran owners like nothing other.

Before continuing, you missed a couple of options - forward cockpit helms, raised bulkhead helms looking through a dodger, lower bulkhead helms looking through the entire boat, and center helms in the middle of the "cabin" (different from the saloon helms you mention because they are the sole helm and sail controls are located there).

Personally, I think whatever floats one's boat is fine as regards to this. I do have my preference, and also highly dislike some - though I'm not sure any particular helm position would be a deal breaker for me if the rest of the boat was screaming to me.

They all have advantages and disadvantages, and owners of each will see these differently. I'm not going to be the one to start on this, but I think I can safely state a couple of aspects that everyone would agree to:

Helms in the aft cockpit take space from the cockpit.
Helms in the saloon take space from the saloon.
Helms in a forward cockpit can be wet and difficult to protect from the weather.
Helms in the aft corners can be difficult to protect from the weather and can be wet in rougher conditions.
Flybridge helms can cause difficult communication and are not easy to reach immediately if necessary. They are also difficult to protect from weather. The boom must be raised for them, and can be difficult to reach/work on.
Raised helms are an attempt to strike a balance among all, but can be somewhat difficult to protect from weather and take up a small amount of cockpit space (highly dependent on design).

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Hmmmm, that would have left me boat less, I must have been drinking heavily that day!
I don't know about the drinking, but you did say you were going back to land, mentioned your back or knees or something like that, but did say that you never say never.

Then I saw you in your new boat later that year! It is a nice boat and from a designer I didn't realize did catamarans.

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colemj, smj, or any other multihull sailors...are there any good Facebook groups you'd recommend for good discussions about cruising multis? It would be great to get more first-hand knowledge and experience input - there, and hopefully at some point, here too.
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Chris White has been using fixed keels in conjunction with daggerboards for years.

A great picture of the Atlantic 57 Anna during spring cleaning!

And Resolute, an Atlantic 48.
He also has a 54’ design with keels that was built in 1994.


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I don't do facebook, so don't know about any groups there. Isn't there a SA multihull group? I also don't do SA. There is an old list server group that has a lot of designers and even professional sailors contributing, but it is a total mess: The Multihulls Archives

Then there is the morass at cruisers forum that make some here look like angels. And the MH4us site that is almost moribund.

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Interesting that some of the owners of cruising cats consider themselves to be the only real multi hull owners on this thread. Quite the club mentality. I didn't know this thread was specific to cruising cats only.
Everyone knows that beachcats rule. We're the only club that counts (though I think you misread Mark's post).

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I don't know about the drinking, but you did say you were going back to land, mentioned your back or knees or something like that, but did say that you never say never.



Then I saw you in your new boat later that year! It is a nice boat and from a designer I didn't realize did catamarans.



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Yes missing discs in the back and now my neck, so the sailing days may be numbered.
I think I have it figured out, you were the one drinking to much!! We didnít see you for a year and a half after we saw you in Stuart. Time flys when your having fun.


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