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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

The boat: 1990 Clearwater 35 bought in 1996:

Problem 1. PVC flexible holding tank (stinky) with no provision to self-empty.
Solved that by changing out to a nitrile lined flex tank and added discharge hoses with Y-valve and macerator.
Problem 2. Wolter on-demand water heater was very unreliable and virtually useless. Also a potential lethal CO hazard, despite exhaust fan.
Solved that by installing conventional water heater plumbed to engine cooling system.
Problem 3. Lack of cockpit enclosure for use at anchor.
Solved that by adding Bimini, connector to dodger, and side curtains.
Problem 4. Lack of midship cleats.
Solved that by adding Schaeffer track cleats to existing outboard toe rail tracks.
Problem 5. Lack of windlass.
Solved that by adding windlass.
Problem 6. Main reefing required going forward to hook tack.
Solved that by adding single line reefing led to cockpit.
Problem 7. Mid cockpit traveler (end of boom) requires a step-over between genoa winches and helm.
Living with it (first thumbnail)
Problem 8. Deployed salon dining table severely restricts access to head.
Living with it.
Problem 9. Limited fresh water supply (40 g).
Alleviated that by adding flexible water tank and carrying a sun shower.
Problem 10. Single CNG tank was a problem because of minimal stations for refill/exchange away from home.
Solved that by adding second CNG tank.
Problem 11. Swing rudder (like a CB in a pivoting trunk) was binding in full up and full down positions, requiring winching.
Solved that by replacing aluminum rudder trunk with carbon reinforced FG trunk (second thumbnail) and now raise and lower by
hand.
Problem 12. Fall into anchor locker is very short, leading to castling of chain and occasional rode jams.
Living with it by monitoring anchor deployment/retrieval in place (remote switch not installed.)

In general, the Clearwater 35 has some idiosyncrasies associated with the swing keel/swing rudder system that allows it to float in knee deep water. Some compromises for weight discipline, like wide side decks, and a cabin with an intrusive keel trunk you just have to live with, as we have for the past 23 years.
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

Obviously owners will add equipment and not have said piece of equipment is not a design deficit. Example would be a windlass or dodger or cockpit enclosure which owners can and do add and I would call them improvements rather than representing a deficit in the purchased boat without them. Not having an accessible large enough chain/anchor locker would be a deficit. Lots of boats have salon tables which fold away because is makes no sense to have them open all the time and open spaces are not really safe in a sea way. This is a good design solution. Poor service access to systems (engine, pumps etc.) would be a deficit as equipment service is part of ownership. This is usually a design compromise.
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My current boat is a 1985 Cal 33-2. I've had it 9 years now. For my purposes (daysailing, weekend cruises (sometimes with another couple), and a 2-3 week summer cruise with wife) it's close to perfect. My criteria was good sailing performance over accommodations, and with a base PHRF of 132, it meets that criteria. The things I had concerns about when buying were:
1. Mid-boom sheeting and traveler on cabin top. I came from a race boat with a tiller and traveler on the bridge deck that was easy to single hand. I have gotten used to the sheeting and traveler location, and do like how it opens up the cockpit. But I will never love it.
2. Undersized winches, at least compared to the monsters on my previous boat. Turns out they are OK, but a size larger would be nice. But I can't justify the cost of upgrading as long as the current ones continue to work just fine.
3. Flexible bag-type holding tank. My previous boat had one and it was awful. I replaced it with a fixed tank and assumed I would be doing this on "new' boat. Turns out this one works just fine and that project has moved way down on the to-do list.

Every so often I think about a bigger faster boat. Then I think about how I use the current one, how easy it is to daysail, the sprightly performance, the decent space below, and I say why? Spend a lot of time and money selling the current boat and buying a new one and probably be no better off than I am now.
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

What aspects of the design do you not like?
STEEL BOAT THAT WAS BUILT WITH MANY INACCESSIBLE SPACES AND THUS CORROSION IN HIDDEN AREAS THAT WERE NOT REACHABLE.

Were you aware of these deficits before you purchased or did they reveal themselves over time as you used the boat?
I DID NOT REALIZE THIS, BUT NOW WITH GREATER KNOWLEDGE I AM FOCUSED ON SUCH.

Are these "deficits" inspiring you to look for another boat which doesn't have the same? Of have you learned to accept them?
THIS IS CRITICAL FOR STEEL BOAT OWNERSHIP SO IT MUST BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN ANY FUTURE BOAT.

Were there features you DIDN'T like but bought anyway and learned they were really not a deficit?
BIG PICTURE GLASS WINDOW IN THE STERN. IT WAS CRACKED WHEN I PURCHASED AND THEN I REPLACED WITH DOUBLE LAYER LAMINATED GLASS, WHICH HELD UP FABULOUSLY IN A STORM OF 25+ FT SEAS SHORTLY AFTER PURCHASE.

Have you been able to DIY rectify the deficits or minimize them in any way?[/QUOTE]
NOPE
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

Hi All , mine is a 1980 Reynolds 21 Catamaran! I wish it wasn't a 1980, I wish when I move it then rig it didnt take 2 hrs, and I wish I had better help to rig it! LOL I do wish it was bigger so I can sleep on it! Mostly I love my speedy Cat!

If wish I could pay a boat builder to rebuild this thing to make it faster to rig and faster Period, I wish I didn't live in a cold Climate!

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Hi All , mine is a 1980 Reynolds 21 Catamaran! I wish it wasn't a 1980, I wish when I move it then rig it didnt take 2 hrs, and I wish I had better help to rig it! LOL I do wish it was bigger so I can sleep on it! Mostly I love my speedy Cat!

If wish I could pay a boat builder to rebuild this thing to make it faster to rig and faster Period, I wish I didn't live in a cold Climate!
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

Good show and great thread...thanks Sander

My first boat....Hobie 16.
I had a beach house in Ocean City , NJ for 18 years and what's not to like about your boat being right outside. Low maintainence. Screaming speed, fun to race. Low Cost. Jim and main. To me no drawbacks. Just limitations.

First keelboat. Islander 28. Shoal draft 4.5 which was perfect for Barnegat Bay where I kept her. Unique to East Coast. Well made with reliable Atomic 4. Very forgiving as I learned to really sail with weight below me ( keel). Simple systems. Enclosed head but no electronics save VHF and Signet depthfinder. No pressure water. Mercurial alcohol stove. Icebox. Hank on sails 8. Had "Island Majic" for 8 years learning . Sailed with others a few times to the Carribean and across the Atlantic on larger boats. Raced J boats. Perfect boat for my young daughter. Finally had to sell due to divorce and went back to Hobie 16. Was in the process of climbing in a culinary field so I had limited time ever for a boat.

22 years ago bought Haleakula a 35 C&C MKIII. Knew what I wanted. I had just moved to Maryland. Wanted so heft and weight for Costal cruising, but high performer in lighter air of Chesapeake summers. I wanted highly responsive steering , diesel, .comfortable for trips of up to a month. Anyone who has had one of these 35 or similar C&C knows what a well made high performer they are .

1- Points well inside similar cruisers.
2-Steering almost like rack and pinion. Very responsive for racing. That's what I was into.3-
3- Winchesoversized and plenty of them 9. All self tailing and two speed
4- Closed rear transoms which I wanted.
5-High cockpit deck so no water could get below.
6-Weighted centerboard for delayed reefing and helps point .
7-Jib tracks far inside next coach roof.
8- Wide safe decks.
9-Anodized toerail for attaching equipment.
10- Huge anchor locker you can stand in and close yourself in.
11- Reliable 3 cylneed Yanmar
12 - Masthead sloop with straight spreaders and high aspect main
13- oversized V berth with lots of room.
14- 6'3 headroom
15- Comfortable safe cockpit with long benches for snoozing
16- large oversized walk around wheel
17- mid deck traveler.
18 -Larger refrigerator box and great three burner stove oven run on popane.
19- All team inside including head for warm comfortable feeling inside
20- heavy fiberglass build, no blisters
21- full head with pressure wAter
22- foot pumps for fresh and salt water
23- lots of storage
24- stantions on toerail vs imbedded so no leaks
25- never had any boat payments
26- and she kinda s quick....on all points of sail when valanced
NegAtives
1- very shallow bildge
2- light 13,500 lbs for r heavy winds but reduced sail helps
3- can be tender until you figure her out
4 - engine shoe horned in
5- small 18 gallon fuel tank
6- outboard stantions require care to not wipe them off when docking
7 - small, quarterberth as is common on 80s boats
8- no conduits for electrical runs ( I changed that)

We have changed Haleakulas profile from racer cruiser to very fast cruiser. She is adorned with davits, radarpole, roller furling, mast plate with blocks leading all lines to cockpit, manual windlass. She has foam topped cushions. Lots of added electronics now and even a flat screen. Large alternator, 6-6volt lifeline AGMs, lots of protective canvasm Bimini, dodger, attached dinghy and propane outboard, added larger fuel tank and segmented water tanks

Haleakulas has been as close to perfect boat for us we could have. When I bought her it was between her, a 37 TArtan and 36 Sabre. She was in the best condition. She has fit our needs I I transitioned from racing to a more comfortable based cruising lifestyle. I wanted to make it like home so my wife would,d share in my sailing passion. It worked as she is my partner and loves the comfort as well as the sailing. She has as she morphed over the 22years, but I never got the feeling to buy newer. Never regretted my choice though I've always Hy a been fond of the Sabres as they are quite similar in character. For. couple it has plenty of room , and it definitely has character with all the wood below.

We thought and almost bought and are still looking at a 44 Mason or 43 Saga, but have put that on hold for now as we have not retired yet.
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

Boat is a 1973 Tartan 30
Sailing on the Chesapeake. Daysails and 3 or 4 overnighters per season.

What aspects of the design do you not like?
The head is quite small and currently there is no shower. It is tiller steered which makes entertaining in the cockpit under sail a bit more problematic (but at anchor or at the dock it is a good thing).

Were you aware of these deficits before you purchased or did they reveal themselves over time as you used the boat?
Somewhat but we have learned to live with them.

Are these "deficits" inspiring you to look for another boat which doesn't have the same? Of have you learned to accept them?
We have learned to accept them and are really happy with the boat however we are on the lookout for a bit bigger boat but in no real hurry.

Were there features you DIDN'T like but bought anyway and learned they were really not a deficit?
It has 'gasp' an Atomic 4 in it. It scared me at first but after doing upgrades and regular maintenance, I've come to really like that little motor. My access is terrific so that is a plus. I am ultra cautious about fumes and am comfortable that we're safe.
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

Great thread SanderO! Thanks for starting it!

I doubt many here would care to hear about the specific deficits (there were plenty). When I bought 37(now 40)-year-old Chrysler Buccaneer 18. In general, though I highly recommend doing what I did. I bought a sound, small older boat. It was my first sailboat. I had no clue about sail condition, rigging, general deck, standing and running rigging hardware....

Now, for what a summer of running a powerboat use to cost me. I've had 3 great summers of sailboat racing. I've done some upgrades. learned tons about sail condition, where and how to shop for sailboat parts. I also did some fiberglassing (never consider doing that before). I now feel way more comfortable in shopping for a larger keelboat.
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Re: 3 Things you DON'T like about the boat you own.

1977 Columbia 8.3 Hull #101, S/V Cajun:

1) The side portlights on the coachroof didn't open.
2) There was no sea hood over the main hatch.
3) The mains'l sheet traveller was located just abaft the main hatch.

1a) solution was to add more 12v fans
2a) I could have added a sea hood
3a) I just had another beer and locked it off to the port side and walked around it.
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