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Have you ever seen a 30-year-old boat without deck leaks?

I have not seen one yet. I'm starting to think maybe they don't exist.

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Re: Sabre 36 (another one)

My 29-year old X-3242 does not seem to have deck leaks to speak of. there were, of course, major leaks around the cabin windows. Replacing the windows took care of that.
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Mine is from 1985 and has only had a leak at one chain plate that required re bedding. Solved. Did them both. Maybe I should measure the moisture???
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The water in the Bilge is likely coming in through the mast.

As far as other leaks go, they can usually be solved, the question would be: how long were they occurring and how much if any damage was done?

The Chainplate leaks could cause bulkheads to rot if left unattended. Sabre has a vinyl liner over the bulkheads. The one you photo'd looks to be in decent shape, but you should sound them with a plastic hammer. In Fact, I think you should be sounding the decks. The meter is fine, but a hammer will tell you what you need to know too. If all is well, just lift the chainplate covers dig out the old caulk and re-bed every few years.

The staining looks like it could be coming from Stantions ?

One of the the most annoying leaks on my Sabre came from the topside handrails, Which I had to remove and re-bed. I re-potted with epoxy.

That Sabre is a little Pricey IMO. That $ would get you two 35 O'days. ;-) 6' draft is not really small in my neck of the woods.
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Have you ever seen a 30-year-old boat without deck leaks?

I have not seen one yet. I'm starting to think maybe they don't exist.
That is a high quality brand of sailboat. Price looks quite appropriate. Our boat is an '88 and has zero deck leaks, and was built by Ericson Yachts (another high quality builder).

We are insured for quite a bit more than the asking price on the boat you reference.
As always, get a good survey... and then start the new season sailing rather than starting a multi-year restoration on some cheapie POS that was last described as a "Lot of boat for the money!"


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Doubt it's the toe rails, Sabre did a nice job engineering the fastening system - although from @tempest 's comments that didn't carry through to the handrails...

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No, I was not happy with the Handrail construction. Just screwed in to the Balsa Core.

The toe rail was well done. But there could be a leak coming from a stantion base, inboard of the toe rail.
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Have you ever seen a 30-year-old boat without deck leaks?



I have not seen one yet. I'm starting to think maybe they don't exist.
My '79 Santana 30, built by WD Schock, had NO deck leaks, or window leaks for that matter. The only leaks she had were through the swim ladder bolts on the transom.

The biggest concern with leaks on deck hardware, as others have said, is damage to the core, assuming the fittings are fastened to a cord area. Things like toe rails and stansions are often bolted to solid fiberglass.

I have never seen a surveyor use a moisture meter. All the surveys I have ever had done they use the ball peen hammer and sound the hull and decks. Moisture meters can be misleading, and certainly dont give the whole story. I have seen them used in home inspections as well, where we have been called in to investigate moisture detected within a wall, and cut open the wall to find it bone dry inside.

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Re: Sabre 36 (another one)

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In general it looks to be a very clean boat and well maintained. A couple comments from your pictures.
1. Engine looks clean except motor mounts might be tried
2. When was the rod rigging done? don't real see evidence of leaks around bases or at the stanchions, but they may have all been re done with the new rod rigging. Water stains on inner walls could be coming from the toe rails/ hull deck connection. But doesn't look to bad.

Just my 2 cents.

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