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Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

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I'm in the market for a new (to me) small boat. Right now I'm between 2 boats that have caught my attention and I'm looking for opinions/advice on them. I would also be sailing in the San Fransisco Bay mainly, if possible might go out to the ocean occasionally.

Boat 1: 1973 Ranger 23 -$1200 Firm according to owner

Things that I see as pros:

-2 mainsails, one good one needs some repair

-125% genoa, 85% and 100% jib

-Spinnaker (with pole and lines)

-6hp Mercury outboard

-Shore power cable

-12 VDC battery & converter

-Running lights

-Cabin lights

Main con:

-Has not had new bottom paint for about 7 years, I'm worried about that extra cost and any issues from sitting in the water for that long.

-Will cost more to store in marina

Boat 2: 1974 Catalina 22- $1500, owner did not say firm price

Pros:

-Bottom paint finished last September

-Full set of sails

-Good rigging

-Newer motor, 2015 Tohatsu 6HP

-Smaller size so the docking fee will cost less (at my marina)

-Catalinas may have more parts available because of how many were made

Cons:

-Does not have as many sails or as much extra gear

-Smaller boat

-Does not have much of an interior, no cushions or sink.

So that's kind of what I'm looking at, sorry that its so long. I know that both are pretty similar size, I just don't want to get in over my head with cost too much, obviously both would cost me tons of money because they're boats. There is still the option of neither boat and I keep waiting! I'm open to suggestions and discussion!
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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

The R-23 is a Gary Mull design and considered a fast boat for its length.
Faster than the C-22.
Either one would please you as long as you find a clean one that does not need a lot of work.
Just to make sure you are comparing like to like, do both boats have a fixed fin keel? (Most of the Cat 22 boats were built with swing keels, but not all.

Lots of wind and waves where you sail. Plan on replacing the standing rig if's older than 15 years.
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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

I agree with O34, the Ranger is a better boat and the wind in the Bay is not something to trifle with, with old standing rigging. Both boats are very cheap, but can you afford the needed upgrades/repairs; bottom paint, new rigging, cushions, etc? They are both simple boats but not sure I would not suggest buying one without at least pulling the boat and looking at the keels if not a survey.

If the difference between a 22 foot and a 23-foot boat docking fees is a concern, you might want to reconsider boat ownership.
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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

The Ranger 23 is a better sailing boat than the Cat 22. Many are still being used in club racing and doing well. That plus the lack of cushions in the Cat 22 would make this an easy decision. But, these are old boats, so condition is everything.

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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

If you are going to keep either one in a slip - then get the Ranger - would only get the Catalina if its a swing keel and you had a trailer option
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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

There is no doubt that the Ranger 23 is a much better boat in pretty much every way meaning they were better built, they handle heavy and light air better, they are more forgiving, they have more a little more space in the cabin, and they perform better. That said, some of the the Catalina 22's have a pop-top that expand the space below. The Ranger 23 was one of Gary Mull's best designs done at a time when Gary Mull was one of the top designers in the world.

The cost of a bottom job is cheap compared to the cost to replace cushions and while Catalina parts are more readily available, the Ranger 23 had very few proprietary parts that you won't be able to replace from the usual marine sources.


While you may end up paying for an extra foot in the marina, the Ranger is actually 2 feet longer than than the Catalina and has a better modeled hull which goes a long way towards improving seaworthiness when wind and waves take a turn for the worse.

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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

New cushions for the catalina 22 will cost more than the price of the boat.. The Ranger seems like a better deal, assuming general condition is the same otherwise. But not having bottom paint for 7 years I'm surprised you can even see the boat for all the vegetation on it..
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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

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...not having bottom paint for 7 years I'm surprised you can even see the boat for all the vegetation on it..
Just because the anti fouling paint is years past needing to be renewed doesn't mean the owner hasn't been having the bottom cleaned on a regular basis. And to the OP- assuming that is the case, you might ask the seller to provide a recent condition report from his hull diver.
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Re: Ranger 23 or Catalina 22 for SF bay, suggestions/advice?

I read some place the Ranger 23 is perfectly suited to San Francisco where I hear it gets really rough and windy.

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I read some place the Ranger 23 is perfectly suited to San Francisco where I hear it gets really rough and windy.
Yes, that's true. The Ranger 23 is highly regarded on San Francisco Bay. It weighs a lot more than a Catalina 22 and is much stiffer. You don't see very many Catalina 22's out in the central Bay or the Slot in the summer, but you do see R23's.

That's a very low price for an R23 in good condition. They are highly sought after. But they are all old. Condition is paramount. Inspect the boat carefully from bow to stern or you may be in for a lot of work. Take a careful look at the transom underneath the traveler.

Some interesting history of the Ranger 23: Arvel Gentry, a Boeing aeronautical engineer, owned a Ranger 23, Kittewake, which he outfitted with sensors and recording devices or quantify what was really happening with airstreams and the developmen of lift and drag forces on the sails. His work in the 70's through the 90's and beyond lead to development of modern sail theory. He worked on at least two America's Cup designs in the 1980's, IIRC. Gentry Sailing | Theory and Practice

If you buy the R23, PM me. I think I have copies of many years of Ranger 23 newsletters that he sent me, with many articles written by Arvel himself. He did a complete rebuild of Kittewake in the late 1990's or early 2000's and restored the boat to truly like-new condition.

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