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Claims to its current sailing abilities are strange unless you've actually sailed it.

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The owner has left the country and is trying to get it sold at any price.

What do you think it is worth as is.

I have a friend who has sailed to for a season.

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It's like someone with more money than brains threw darts at an option catalog.
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This is so obviously a troll post.



It's a pile of overpriced junk and you know it.





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Re: Can this boat be saved

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The owner has left the country and is trying to get it sold at any price.

What do you think it is worth as is.

I have a friend who has sailed to for a season.
Speaking as someone who is trying to sell a 1979 Oday 23 as I write (anyone interested?), I can tell you that the market in Connecticut for smaller, older sailboats is absolutely saturated. Last summer, my friend had to give away his 90's vintage 24' Beneteau (new Honda outboard, and a trailer!) as he couldn't sell it. He even tried to donate it and got no takers from among the many charities that do take boat donations. I've got my boat listed for $2500, and although I've had about 5 showings, there have been no offers. At this point, I'm going to either list it for free or try and donate it.

Which brings me to your friend's boat. Buyers interested in 25 foot boats are usually looking for an inexpensive way to get on the water. Your competition isn't the other boats listed for 50K; the competition is the other 23-25 footers. None of them are selling for more than about $5000, and that's with a trailer.

So, in my humble, yet expert and correct opinion, your friend's boat is worth about $5000. All of the upgrades and the goodies will likely make it one of the first $5000 boats sold, but that's the extent of their "value". Someone might even be willing to pay a premium to have those things; my guess is that they may pay as much as $8000 for the boat. But I doubt much more. I'm thinking back to when I bought my Oday 20 years ago; I was really frugal about the whole thing. It was my first "big" boat, and I was very conservative with my money as I had no real idea of what the ongoing costs might be. I passed up some slightly more expensive options (some Catalina 25's in really good shape) because at the time, I didn't think they were worth the extra 2 or 3 grand. That's the mindset of your target buyer here. As has been pointed out above, anyone who wants a "luxury" daysailer has a lot of better options at that price, and would likely shy away from a 50+ year old boat anyway.

My two cents (adjusted for inflation).
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Re: Can this boat be saved

To add to mstern's comments. There are a few small boats that will command a premium price, anything Morris or Alerion come to mind but they are few and far between as are the buyers for them. With an old Pearson, asking over $5,000 you'll be climbing Mount Everest in the off season to get twice that price and extremely doubtful you'd get anyone to even look it at 10 times the price. That's a beautiful boat and I'm sure the owner has every nickel in it that he is asking but it would be a miracle to get into 5 figures for it.
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Just looked over the ad. Looks like a great boat (or at least a concept) for someone wanting to downsize.

As others have pointed out, however, for this kind of money you can find a decent Alerion 28. And that is a proven sailor with a nice overnighting interior.

Like all boats, no matter what pedigree, it will sell --- at some (!) price --- albeit not likely for the price being asked. Still, ya never know... it just takes ONE buyer. And once he/she steps aboard and falls in love, the negotiation will begin in earnest.

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So, whats wrong with having an inboard on a 25’ sailboat or any size for that matter? Outboards are for fishing boats.
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Re: Can this boat be saved

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So, whats wrong with having an inboard on a 25’ sailboat or any size for that matter? Outboards are for fishing boats.
The issue is this, boats are designed as a system ideally with pretty much all of its parts working in harmony. A competent designer considers all of the major weights, and designs the boat to sit on its lines under normal loading. Its never easy to anticipate everything that might happen in the life of a boat, but you try to anticipate and design around the things that are normally expected to happen. And while big boats can tolerate all kinds of small adjustments in loading, small boats are pretty intolerant of extra weight and where it is placed in the boat. They are also pretty intolerant of extra drag (such a cutting and aperture for the propeller) as well. This boat was never designed for the added weight of the engine and tanks, its placement in the boat, or the added drag that this installation represents. It takes what was an acceptably decent sailing boat for that era and potentially undermines its seaworthiness, motion, and performance.

In other words, the issue is not with a boat having an inboard engine. The issue is with this boat, which was never designed to have an inboard engine, having one dropped into it. And given the other dubious design decisions on this boat, it is unlikely that this was actually reviewed and engineered by a yacht designer or naval architect.

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Re: Can this boat be saved

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The owner has left the country and is trying to get it sold at any price.

What do you think it is worth as is.

I have a friend who has sailed to for a season.
Why isn't the friend buying it, then? Does it say a lot that perhaps he doesn't want it at any price? Is Jeff batting 1000 on this one?
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Why isn't the friend buying it, then? Does it say a lot that perhaps he doesn't want it at any price? Is Jeff batting 1000 on this one?
He like me is put off by the fact that the boat doesn't sail very well.

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