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1962 Pearson Electra Rebuilt and Repowerd, Like New used boat for sale - boatersresources.com


Someone spent an unholy about of money on this boat and has walked away from it.

The hoyt jib boom was obviously a massive mistake.

The inboard engine on such a small boat is a question mark to me.

The boat has wicked weather helm due to the jib being too small.

What could be done to save the boat?

She is very pretty and it is a shame to see her be left to rot.

Someone suggested a high cut Yankee 130 and just leave the jib boom as ornamentation.

Someone else suggested a two-foot bowsprit with a code zero.

Any ideas to turn this boat into a sailboat again.
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Re: Can this boat be saved

50 grand for a 57yr old 25' early production boat? That's nuts. Doesn't look like he walked away from it to me - looks like he's shooting for the lottery.

You can get a late 90's 28' Alerion for that price, and it is a similar boat in style, a larger boat in the same size range, and a much better built and performing boat. You can even get them with the Hoyt Jib Boom if desired.

A sprit and code 0 on a Pearson Electra...HeeHee...

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Re: Can this boat be saved

BTW, how do you know it has wicked weather helm?

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Re: Can this boat be saved

Actually, this entire post, and the reason for it, is confusing to me.

This boat isn't rotting - in fact, it has been brought into better shape, equipment, and condition than it left the factory in 1962. It is likely the best shape it ever has been in.

The guy hasn't walked away from it - he is actively trying to sell it. He hasn't "left it to rot" in any sense of the phrase.

The boat isn't in need of "saving", other than few people will want to pay that price.

Claims to its current sailing abilities are strange unless you've actually sailed it.

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Re: Can this boat be saved

let me guess the PO has passed and the family does not want to pay storage. been sitting outside for the last 5 years and does not look as good as the old pics. ( 2014 sticker ) was never worth 50k but he spent 50k+ get it look that good. I have not sailed on one since I was in high school but as I remember they never sailed without weather helm.
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Re: Can this boat be saved

To answer the question " Can boat be saved?" with more questions:

1) Why bother? These were pretty crummy boats in their day and they have not gotten any better. You can buy a decent condition Electra or the bigger Commander for roughly $3-4000 and while it won't be as pristine as this boat, there also won't be as much junk to remove.

2) What would I want to see removed to make this a boat worth owning?
A. MarineDeck Synthetic Cork Decking
B. Square Top Main - Evolution Sails
C One of the two Optima 12 V AGM Deep Cycle Batteries
D Hoyt Boom
E New Beta Marine 2 Cyl. 14 Hp Engine, Model B-14 and its Racor Fuel Filter, easy access Water Strainer, and 6 Gallon Aluminum Tank
F 3 Blade Feathering VariProp
G All of the extra and clunky detailed wood trim and hatches
H The new stern rail and lifelines and maybe the bow rail.
I Most of the crap in the lazzarette
J the aperature for the prop
K The entire price tag (the boat is worth nothing as it sits since it will take more to put it back into shape than it will ever be worth.

3) What would I want to see added to make this a boat worth owning?
A. A new 150% genoa
B. A new 105% working jib
C. A new mainsail w/o a square top
D. A 4 hp four stroke outboard
F. A decent set of two speed, self tailing primary winches and a halyard winch with stoppers
G. A port-a-potti
H. a one gallon water cube
I. A straighter tiller with a tiller extension
J Low stretch halyards and jib sheets.
K, and maybe a hull and rig that sailed better than an Electra.

Frankly, the Ensign makes a decent day sailor if you are into the whole "come with me now to yesteryear" experience. They are actually fun to race in that there its all about tactics and boat handling with raw speed and athleticism being much less of a factor. But that hull was never meant to be a micro cruiser. It was one of those odd moments when manufacturers took decent daysailor-racers and tried to make micro cruisers out of them. (Anyone remember the O'day Mariner, Rainbow Weekender, or the Kenner Kittiwake?) Whatever virtues that made these daysailor-racers a nice boat to own was lost by piling on a bunch of weight in trying to make them into something the hulls were never meant to be. Generally these boats picked up quite a bit of weight and that resulted in a bigger sail plan, and that often meant more ballast which meant more weight, and pretty quick you had a boat that lacked the stability to stand up to enough sail area to properly propel its hull through the water in any kind of wind.

And if Pearson did not screw up this boat enough by adding weight to the Ensign, this person was hell bent on making the problem a whole lot worse. What this Person did not seem to understand is that boats act as a system. No matter how much square topped mainsail sail area you add, if you don't have the stability to carry that much sail area that high in the air, and that far aft of the CLR, it won't do you a lick of good. And adding drag only makes it worse.

For the record: I should note that Pearson did offer an optional inboard engine. I think it was either a Palmer PW-27 (8 Hp gas) or a Gray Marine (Sea Pup I think? 6 hp gas)

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Re: Can this boat be saved

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And if Pearson did not screw up this boat enough by adding weight to the Ensign,
I think this might be backward. I think the Ensign was developed off the Electra. I remember these being boat models 1 & 2 for Pearson, but I remember the Electra being the first one.

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Re: Can this boat be saved

Or from another standpoint, no matter what your taste in boats, you can get a lot of nice boats for what that guy is asking. For example for a $50,000 asking price buys:
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Re: Can this boat be saved

Wow, I had not read the whole add. that makes his asking price even more ridiculous. he needs to ask 100k i like the Square top main on an Electra, bet the sailmakers still laughs about that one. it is an over weight Ensign with a out of balance rig.
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I think this might be backward. I think the Ensign was developed off the Electra. I remember these being boat models 1 & 2 for Pearson, but I remember the Electra being the first one.

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The Pearson cousins built several different wooden boats and then several different glass boats before the Ensign. The Triton was their first fiberglass cruising boat which began production in 1958. Sailboatdata has the Ensign-Electra history backward. I started sailing the year that the Electra was introduced. In the fall of 1961 Ensigns were pretty common on Long Island Sound. At that time, we were told that the Ensign started out as a one design class for a New England Yacht Club, and took off as a one design racer on the US East Coast.

In the spring of 1962, Dad was looking for a small weekender cruising boat. We went to look at a brand new boat that Pearson was just in the process of introducing based on the Ensign. The boat we looked at was right off the truck and had not been cleaned up yet and we were told it was supposed to be one of the first hulls produced. At the time it was being sold as a MORC racer-cruiser, although by then the true MORC racer-cruisers looked more like a Sailmaster 22 (Seafarer 22).

At the time my dad (and all of us) were brand new to sailing and Dad tells the story of climbing up the ladder to look at the Electra. As he would tell it, he glanced off to the bow in the distance and was concerned that he might not be able to handle a boat this big.

We ended up buying a 25 foot Contest for our first boat. Dad's reading and engineering background paid off since he handled the 25 footer very well. One of our first sails on the Contest was a very windy day. The 12 meter Columbia lost her upper mast near where we were sailing and we saw her being towed in. Then a Dragon broke its boom within sight to leeward of us. Dad successfully jibed and went over to the Dragon to see whether they needed help. It was a confidence builder standing station with the Dragon. We eventually went all over Long Island Sound in that boat and then graduated to a Vanguard a few years later.

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