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Re: Any pre 1990 30 footers with really large cockpits?

You should look at images and vids.
Its a power and throw/length balance.
Autos are not at rhe end, but tamers usually are

..edit...autos for tiller are fractions of cost for wheel autos

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Re: Any pre 1990 30 footers with really large cockpits?

Location of a tiller pilot is boat dependent. The closer to the rudder shaft the quicker the steering and more range of motion but higher forces required. If the rudder is balanced, not a problem but if rudder is a barn door and forces high on the tiller required to move it under sail, the farther away from the rudder post that it needs to be. The semi balanced rudder on my Sabre 28 requires only light forces on the tiller and the PO mounted the tiller pilot about mid length. Don't have the installation instructions but would bet the mfg has a recommendation for positioning a tiller pilot. Would bet it's about 2/3 of the length of the tiller.

Have only used the tiller pilot under power but it's steered well in light wind for days on end. The tiller pilot is the base Simrad TP10. The tiller pilots don't have a lot of power so probably a force limitation for placement of the pilot on most boats. The Pelagic pilot looks to have a lot more power, Simrad's most powerful one is TP31 and Raymarine has a pilot rated to 13,000 lbs displacement.

Saw a custom 35' aluminum boat that had a short stub aluminum square tube tiller for the self steering vane or tiller pilot. There was a teak tiller extension insert that he inserted in the square tube tiller stub for more leverage hand steering. That really opened up the cockpit both underway and at anchor.
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Re: Any pre 1990 30 footers with really large cockpits?

The OP is looking for both a cruiser with a standup galley and a daysailer that will carry 6 in the cockpit inside 30 LOA. It's a tall conflicted order.

Which of the two will the OP be needing most of the time? I would lean in that direction and try to make the other work.


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Re: Any pre 1990 30 footers with really large cockpits?

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The OP is looking for both a cruiser with a standup galley and a daysailer that will carry 6 in the cockpit inside 30 LOA. It's a tall conflicted order.

Which of the two will the OP be needing most of the time? I would lean in that direction and try to make the other work.
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The OP is looking for both a cruiser with a standup galley and a daysailer that will carry 6 in the cockpit inside 30 LOA. It's a tall conflicted order.

Which of the two will the OP be needing most of the time? I would lean in that direction and try to make the other work.
Sort of a scaled down friendship 40 would be nice. If they had a 95% off sale, that would work .

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Some of the late 60's boats appear to have larger, or at least longer cockpits than later models.
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Saw a custom 35' aluminum boat that had a short stub aluminum square tube tiller for the self steering vane or tiller pilot. There was a teak tiller extension insert that he inserted in the square tube tiller stub for more leverage hand steering. That really opened up the cockpit both underway and at anchor.
Yes, I've been reading about that option. Can also do this with a tiller that folds back onto itself. The standard length for pilot install from the tiller base appears to be 18" for Simrad/Raymarine.

Tillers that come through the cockpit sole often fold back to rest on the transom. I would think it would also be possible to install the pilot on the transom in that case. The directions would all need to be reversed because the tiller is now backwards, but I'm sure there is a way to install the pilot in such a way as to make it work.
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Sort of a scaled down friendship 40 would be nice. If they had a 95% off sale, that would work . ......
Are you getting the sense you might be looking for a unicorn? Remember that three occupants down each side of a cockpit, even if they fit, may not be comfortable while heeling.

Which do you think you will do more, cruise or daysail, with 6 crew? How many do you need to fit on a cruise?


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Re: Any pre 1990 30 footers with really large cockpits?

30 foot Nonsuch

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Re: Any pre 1990 30 footers with really large cockpits?

Does it need to sleep 6 also?

I think a Catalina 30 would be the best compromise. I have been onboard with 6 but it's tight.

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Yep. Stretches the budget though. I know they can be had for $30,000, but I think you need to get $40,000 for one without problems, but who knows. If one came up for a good price, it would be a hard consideration.
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