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On this site Iíve argued for 2 strokes. Light, simple, can fix yourself, good hole shot etc.....

I was wrong. Last 2 stroke died. Stored it and dinghy inside at a yard in Grenada for hurricane season. They drained gas. Asked they refill and have it all ready when we returned. Any way they got it back in the water with a full tank. Ran that gas until empty. Refilled with 1:50 but strongly suspect they had it at 1:25 or even higher. Ran lousy. Cleaned carb. Still lousy and hard to start. Took it apart and everything carbonized. Pistons and cylinders scourced. Rings shot. Pissed off that the one time I asked someone else to do the mix it ruined the engine. Pissed at myself I didnít pick up on it before damage done.

Now have a EFI 9.9hp Suzuki. Got it for 30% less than Iíd pay in the states at Rodney Bay but new 2019. Apparently not popular in Caribbean. Heavy c/w prior tohatsu but uses no gas and runs great. While in states got every spare/filter I can think of to bring back.

Please share your outboard experiences. So far merc sucks, tohatsu is very sensitive to mishandling, Yamaha is fine (big theft target) but expensive as is Honda, and for present Iím a Suzuki fan. Whatís your opinion?
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Still running my 80s vintage Mariner/Yamaha 2-hp 2-stoke.

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We are currently running an ePropulsion Spirit on an F-Rib and, outside of a couple of really bad runs in Newport Harbor when the wind and chop got up, it has ticked all the boxes. Battery and engine leg both light enough for my wife to mount and unmount herself without help (although obviously I help, because I am not stupid...)

Our original plan was to 'steal' the 2 stroke from our old boat before selling but have found the electric meets all our needs.
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My experience with our 2007 Johnson 4 stroke 15 hp OB has been unbelievable. I expected 2, maybe 3 years out of it, but it has been running very dependably on a daily basis since 2009. Gas mileage is outstanding, so much so that we almost run out of gas because we fill the tank so rarely we forget we even need to. Not mixing gas and oil (and keeping the oil aboard) is way worth the extra weight of the engine.
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If carbonized, I would have thought there was too much oil (which is what your ratios suggest too). This should not have scored the cylinders. Confusing scenario.

Was the engine fogged before it sat in the humid climate for a season. Hard to do, if fuel is run dry.

Anyway, I hate mixing fuel. I'll take a four stroke any day. Our current Yamaha 9.9 has been terrific. Nothing more than pre and post season maintenance, fill the tank and go. Yamaha says not to drain fuel, rather just fog with their fogging oil, until you choke it out. Obviously, this impacts the fuel in the bowl too.

I've had Mercurys and Tohatsus that were fine. Weird little problems, but nothing that would cause me to steer clear. At the end of life (10 years) on my last Tohatsu 18, one of the cylinders lost compression, but it still started and ran okay. Got me home. That's what really matters.


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Had a four stroke Tahatsu for 5 years. Nothing but issues with the carburetor. Before that a two stroke Johnson which was indestructible. Last 4 years using a propane 5 hp Tahatsu. Best thing since sliced bread.


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Ive had my 6 hp 4 stroke tohatsu for 6 years. Now that iíve learned that moisture was getting into the spare can from the nozzle causing gas problems so capped the nozzle i haven't had a problem with it for the last months.

But im planning on replacing with a 9.8/hp tohatsu 4 stroke electric start. I would have gne efi if it didnt weigh so much more.

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Major issue with outboards is ethanol fuel. First, it's hydroscopic and will cause the fuel to take on water, even out of the atmosphere. Second, it can phase separate. If you get past those, it's a very effective solvent, which works great on all your plastic and rubber parts in the motor.

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Yes the efi adds weight but you also get electricity off the engine for running lights. Cool tech as thereís no battery. Trying to decide which running lights to buy. It a walker bay with the fold down stern on it last legs but good for a year or two more.
Any thoughts?

Have yet to see anyone with electric of any brand happy with it in the Caribbean. Itís the range and difficulties coming in against waves thatís the problem. Really like the idea of not having gasoline on the boat but itís not there yet.
Merc I had had stupid controls. No way to vary choke or throttle effectively when starting. Lousy controls to fix or pull up engine. Have occasions to run dinghy onto the beach. PIA with that engine. Several plastic parts in linkage. They would break and it was hard to find spares.
New tohatsu 2 strokes are real light. Older ones not so much. Think they use the same block for the 9.9 as the 15.
Yamahas just disappear down here. Donít know why theyíre the #1 target for theft.
Thereís a nifty filter you can use poring gas (or diesel) out from a can. Takes out particulate down to 10 micron and water. Have good internet so will google and post if I find it. Use for dinghy and filling racors after filter change.

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Have yet to see anyone with electric of any brand happy with it in the Caribbean. Itís the range and difficulties coming in against waves thatís the problem. Really like the idea of not having gasoline on the boat but itís not there yet.
Until a year ago, I would have agreed entirely but you have seen one now.... I am in the Caribbean and very happy with it.

I suppose if I needed to speed around anchorages throwing wakes, like so many people seem to, or anchor more than a mile from shore then it would fail to meet my needs but the nearest I have come to regretting the decision was dinghy-ing round from Caneel Bay to Cruz Bay to check in to the USVI when the wind was up and even then, the hood on the dinghy kept us dry in the face of the chop.
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