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What do you want the boat for?? To cross the Ocean?? or to sail coastal??
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Thanks for the explanation guys.
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Because of the way in which these hulls are stiffened (with a pan), access to the hull is limited to areas where thruhulls are located. The obvious place where we all saw the hull repeated deflection was under the fwd head sink where the hull is visible. One of the crew subsequently did some more digging after I left the boat and found other apparent fatigue damage which i won't reiterate further not having seen it personally.

I am not intending to disparage anything or anyone's choice of boat; just respond objectively...
What exactly did you see? Not trying to pick a fight here, at all, but boats rarely, RARELY, oil can along the bottom. Almost uniformly if there's oil canning it's somewhere along the topsides because that's where you have large, flat unsupported sections. Frankly, I've never heard of a boat oil canning below the waterline, but I don't profess to know everything about every boat (far from it).

So with that, it would be great if you could describe precisely what you saw that led you to conclude the hull was oil canning below the forward head sink. It strikes me as an odd place for a hull to oil can, which makes me wonder if you were seeing something else.

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Nika, I wouldn't worry about the hull integrity on either boat, assuming you're sailing mostly coastal. Frankly, many of these boats have crossed oceans, but if you were looking to buy a boat to do serious offshore work to remote locations, I probably would consider something different. But from what you've posted, either the 423 or the 40 would suit you just fine.

And I would ignore any advice that you might get from Giu. He's nothing but a hairy artist.

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And I would ignore any advice that you might get from Giu. He's nothing but a hairy artist.
Why do you say that?? I am actually telling him to go for it....
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Why do you say that?? I am actually telling him to go for it....
I was totally and completely joking. Making a reference and joke about the goings-on at the other site and your artistry there. And obviously, not a very good joke on my part!

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What exactly did you see? Not trying to pick a fight here, at all, but boats rarely, RARELY, oil can along the bottom. Almost uniformly if there's oil canning it's somewhere along the topsides because that's where you have large, flat unsupported sections. Frankly, I've never heard of a boat oil canning below the waterline, but I don't profess to know everything about every boat (far from it).

So with that, it would be great if you could describe precisely what you saw that led you to conclude the hull was oil canning below the forward head sink. It strikes me as an odd place for a hull to oil can, which makes me wonder if you were seeing something else.

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Most of the "oil-canning" that I've heard described has occurred below or near the waterline, usually on flatter hull sections that are subjected to the rigors of both wave action and the "heave" of the hull in a seaway.


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I was totally and completely joking. Making a reference and joke about the goings-on at the other site and your artistry there. And obviously, not a very good joke on my part!
Ohh OK, sorry..not myself lately...good joke!!

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You guys obviously have never sailed a 470.....
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K1,

Did your boat list to stbd?

Did your stern sit slightly below waterline with the stern "Rub-rail" sitting slightly in the water?

Did water sit iddly on the transom growing a science experiment?

Every, without exception, 423 that I have seen has these problems. Many people have corrected for them by artifically adding weight to port or over loading to port. But for the stern sitting in the water, I doubt there is a fix. It would be a hazard when boarding the boat from the ladder if barnacles were growing thre. You certainly cannot paint it with bottom paint.

Sorry, but I look at things from a live aboard point of view and I can see where that would be an issue.

I am not trying to start a fight. I like Bene's. I have said that many times on this forum. I am one of the very few production boats supporters. But the 423's I have been on and seen left me shaking my head. I will shoot pics if you want them - though I think these issues are pretty well publicized by those that I have spoken to.

Buy a different Bene. If you like the performance of the 423, look at the Catalina 400 or 470. I am sure Jeuneau has a comparable model... but I hate those finger breakers they claim are handholds on some of their newer models. If performance is high on your list, look at a first series. But that 423 just leaves me shaking my head.

Why would anyone buy a boat that lists right out of the box?

Take my comments as my personal opinions only, please. They are only my opinions. I like Benes... just not that one.

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