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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

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Dylan Welcome to the forum. Where do you plan to sail this vessel? Murry reservoir? If mostly sailing flat water an MC, C, and E scow are all a ton of fun to sail. They have a number of racing fleets around the Great Lakes but I am not sure if they are common anywhere else.
MCs are sick fun and fast, but there's nothing "cruiser" about them. MCs race with one person, or two on a heavy wind day. For day sailing we sometime putter about with three people on an MC, but that's the limit.

The C Scow is even faster and can totally handle four people. Again though, nothing "cruiser" about it. You sit on it, not in it.

An E Scow is a lotta boat. They can tow a water skier, but they're 28' and $$$

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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

I had seen the Precision line of boats and decided against them, I really dont care for a cabin at all. I would much rather have that space for people in the cockpit. I wont have crane access either, so a swing or drop keel is really needed.
The RS Venture seems to be really close to what I want, but it is still out of my price range from everywhere I have looked.. The Vanguard Nomad has been around long enough that there have been a few sales out there within my price range, and may be a very viable option. I read a review by sailing world about it, they said it tacks on a wide angle, which is a big issue I currently have with my ComPAC. Does anyone have experience with this?
The MC Scow's seem to have the speed I want, but I didnt see any that had jibs or spinnakers on them. At least in the size range Im looking at. Without the other sails I think I would feel like I am just sailing a large sunfish..

I guess ultimately I am looking for a racer that can seat 4. Id settle for 3 if I absolutely had to, but id really like to introduce some of my school friends to fast action sailing all at once. Comfortable seating isnt a concern, I usually sit on top of the ComPAC while sailing anyways.
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Also, I think I already know the answer to this, but thoughts on Hunter 170? The size is perfect for me, just dont know how they handle.
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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

Hobie 21SC...
Reynolds 21...if you can find one
Stilettos...if you find more wallet
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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

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Also, I think I already know the answer to this, but thoughts on Hunter 170? The size is perfect for me, just dont know how they handle.
Biggest issue with the H 170 is how they're made.. not a conventional fg layup.

Problems may be only with extreme temps, but.....

https://forums.sailboatowners.com/in...l-help.161993/

btw.. the Holder 20 I posted earlier has a lift keel...
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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

I second the Holder 20 - does have a cabin but very small , how about a Hobier 18 with wings?

Used to race FS's - have some of the same feelings - would pound in any type of chop going to windward - but along the same lines did like the Highlander - a little bigger and faster.

A viper - raced on one once - very breakable , have to be careful with it , where you tie it up waiting on the race , coming into a dock - things along those lines.
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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

Have to agree with Stumble on the FS. Raced on them in a series once and found it horrible for many of the reasons he mentioned. Never again! Plus they're ugly. A Lightning would be responsive, comfortable for picnics or daysailing with lots of seating or lounging space and quick to rig and launch. There seem to be some around: Southeastern District and there should be some in your price range.
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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

So heres where I am at..

These would meet my capacity desire and keep everyone relatively dry while sailing, but may sacrifice up wind ability and overall speed:
Vanguard Nomad 17
Hunter 170 (or 18 to avoid the hull issues, though I live in warm climate and the 18 is hard to come by in my price range)
The RS Vision is out of my price range everywhere I find them, but that and the Lightning are runner ups.

These meet my capacity and I think would satisfy my speed/thrill expectation. With the sacrifice of getting people wet.
Topaz Argo (again a little out of my range but I love a lot of things about this boat. Single hand up to 4 people and it has a spinnaker..)
Hobie 18 with wings. Got to love the speed of a catamaran, and the wings are a good compromise to have seating. I do like a monohull for being able to have safe storage for a cooler, dry bag, portable speaker etc though.
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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

Lightnings and Highlander's are both good boats. Showing a little age in the design, but not as much as the FS. If you are ok with rotomolded a RS Vision new is about $9k. But most of the RS line is sold to sailing schools and they tend to hold on to boats so finding used ones can be a problem.

My personal preferences keep showing because I really want to recommend a big beach cat like a NACRA or large Hobie, I just don't know if any are good for 4 people. But what about two Hobie 16's. You can pick them up for a song, and have one for you and one for your friends.

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Re: Recommendation for 16-20' Racer/Cruiser

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I really want to recommend a big beach cat like a NACRA or large Hobie, I just don't know if any are good for 4 people. .
Hobie 18, add wing seats for mature seating. Cooler strapped to the tramp just aft of the mast, a couple of wet bags strapped to the tramp for camping gear.

Light boat, capable of fast cruising in nasty or shallow conditions, a legitimate racing boat and can carry 4 people.

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