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Re: Niagara 35 too slow? - and - surveys of cored hulls

Ooof, that J/36 needs a lot of work, way more than I could accomplish in a few weekend trips. But fast is fun. Olson 34 and Express 34 are high on my list if I decide to make going fast a priority. They're hard to find, though. I like the J/32 as a cruise-able/live-able fast boat, too, but out of my budget.
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Re: Niagara 35 too slow? - and - surveys of cored hulls

I don't have much to add to this thread, but I had a friend with a Cascade 36. These should be more available on the West coast. That thing sailed and handled much better than I expected, was good looking (to me), seemed to be strongly built, and had a very usable interior. I'd guess the PHRF is probably 130-150 range. I'm sure the price is in the ballpark of a Niagra 35 or Bristol 35.5.

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That J/36 doesn't look too bad, set of cushions and it'd look a lot less like a project boat.

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That J/36 doesn't look too bad, set of cushions and it'd look a lot less like a project boat.
They even removed the fold-up leaves on the salon table and the ones from the galley, along with main bulkhead door. (To save weight?) At least they left the door to the head.
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That J/36 doesn't look too bad, set of cushions and it'd look a lot less like a project boat.
They even removed the fold-up leaves on the salon table and the ones from the galley, along with main bulkhead door. (To save weight?) At least they left the door to the head. Price is right (for an asking price...)
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Re: Niagara 35 too slow? - and - surveys of cored hulls

My friend is a long time Niagara 35 owner. Sailed on it a bit. The boat is great for coastal cruising and limited offshore work. Boat never intended to be a racer and is sluggish in under 10 knots. Lots of wetted surface with not a lot of rig. Mark Ellis the designer also designed the Nonsuchs. Prior to that he worked for C&C, Hunt, Little Harbor, and others. Cutaway full keel is not that nimble. Find an Express 34. Great boat and good in light air. Forget the J-36. Every one I've seen has a wet deck and very wet transom.
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Which is also why, paulk, I haven't looked at a C&C 35. Not many C&Cs here, though occasionally one pops up. No 35s that I can recall.
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Has potential. That giant topside stripe is...modifiable. Something about C&C cabin finishes always gives me a cheap vibe. But that can be overcome. No doubting it's a lot of good-saiiing boat for the cash.
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Buy the boat youíll plan to use most of the time. If you occasionally race, I would not make those characteristics a priority. Iíve sailed the Niagara 35 Encoure and liked it quite a lot. You said youíre really looking for a solid, liveaboard cruiser and no doubt it fits the bill.
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I don't know anything about the Niagara's performance. For another perspective on "slow", I was also looking for a cruiser/racer. Mine is rated 149, weighs 10 tons, really sucks in light wind and doesn't point as well upwind as my competitors with its small self-tending jib. I love it. I've had a blast racing it on SF Bay and beyond.
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Re: Niagara 35 too slow? - and - surveys of cored hulls

I have a friend who has a Niagara 35 and have sailed on it a few times. She seems to move OK in light wind and really well in medium. I really like the layout, but it is a bit weird walking through the sleeping quarters to get to the living area. The other thing is it does not seem to have great ventilation since the head partitions off the the salon from the companionway. She seems well made and sturdy. Do have a thorough survey and I don't think a cored hull is that big of a deal and really makes a difference in strength and performance.

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